Same. I was present for Bogosian's first game with Buffalo and he was an absolute beast out there. Exactly what we need anchoring the D for years to come, Myers very simply was not.
Same. I was present for Bogosian's first game with Buffalo and he was an absolute beast out there. Exactly what we need anchoring the D for years to come, Myers very simply was not.
Sabretip
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Article in Winnipeg talks about Armia's adjustment to the trade:
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sp...w-Sabres-ship-him--to-Winnipeg-311655651.html
Probably explains what Murray felt less enthused about in his game and was willing to give Armia up....
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sp...w-Sabres-ship-him--to-Winnipeg-311655651.html
Probably explains what Murray felt less enthused about in his game and was willing to give Armia up....
Meichel Kane
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He's close to busting, yeah? He's 22, hasn't wowed in the AHL (looking at his stats), and doesn't play a bottom-six type of game.
Zman5778
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Ehhhh.
He has shown flashes. Was Rochester's best forward in the playoffs 2 years ago.
His biggest issue other than "compete level" is staying healthy. I mean, 25 points in 33 GP before the trade isn't shabby.
He's got an NHL-level shot when he uses it.
Give him another year before starting to put the "B" word on him, IMO.
I wish that Armia had come over to North America one year earlier than he did. It would have been nice to see him last year as his third season in NA rather than his second.
There's no doubt that his playoffs a couple seasons ago and last year's performance demonstrated that he has the potential to succeed. I believe the transition to Winnipeg was a temporary setback and this season he will continue his growth and will see some games in the NHL.
All that said - I think in the trade that Murray looked at his pipeline and the players coming back and viewed him as an asset to be moved for the greater good. I do not think it was any sort of statement about the view of his potential - rather it was taking advantage of his potential to help secure some players that Murray viewed as valuable to the team's rebuild. Win-win, IMO.
Wishing success to Armia and will have no issues if he has success.
There's no doubt that his playoffs a couple seasons ago and last year's performance demonstrated that he has the potential to succeed. I believe the transition to Winnipeg was a temporary setback and this season he will continue his growth and will see some games in the NHL.
All that said - I think in the trade that Murray looked at his pipeline and the players coming back and viewed him as an asset to be moved for the greater good. I do not think it was any sort of statement about the view of his potential - rather it was taking advantage of his potential to help secure some players that Murray viewed as valuable to the team's rebuild. Win-win, IMO.
Wishing success to Armia and will have no issues if he has success.
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I remember that his difficulty adjusting from Finland to North America was a dominant theme in explaining his rookie difficulties--as well as his injury. Now we're hearing again how he struggled with the transition from Rochester to St. John's. Is he going to have similar difficulties when he has to move across Canada to Winnipeg?
I was one of the biggest Armia fans on this board, and I remain a fan--I firmly believe that Winnipeg is an ideal organization for him if/when it all clicks. But he's out of excuses, and he needs to stay healthy. He was Rochester's best forward in the early going last year. He needs to come out gangbusters for St. John's next year and earn a call-up to Winnipeg. If he hits, Winnipeg could be scary in a year or two with all their big forwards with puck skills.
I was one of the biggest Armia fans on this board, and I remain a fan--I firmly believe that Winnipeg is an ideal organization for him if/when it all clicks. But he's out of excuses, and he needs to stay healthy. He was Rochester's best forward in the early going last year. He needs to come out gangbusters for St. John's next year and earn a call-up to Winnipeg. If he hits, Winnipeg could be scary in a year or two with all their big forwards with puck skills.
It goes both ways, fans of the team will pump up the prospects maybe more than they deserve and when we trade them we will put them down more than they deserve. It is inevitable.
Winnipeg's farm team next year is going to be the Manitoba Moose so he'll already be in the 'Peg if he does start in the AHL and then earns a call up. I know it was different circumstances here but I remember penciling in Armia in a top 6 role here for this coming season.
Jim Bob
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There were questions about how Armia's game would translate to NA long before he was dealt.
He has an NHL shot. He just likes to play a perimeter game and loves to dangle too much.
Nothing has really changed. He's shown flashes of having top 6 NHL potential.
Only time will tell if he develops into a legit top 6 NHL winger or not.
joshjull
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The two posters commenting on him before you posted were hardly "ripping him apart".
I was never an armia fan and got torn apart a couple years ago for not seeing his "first line future" but looks like everyone is slowly coming on board. Still love this trade.
That is the nature of most trades -- run down the players traded and pimp the players acquired.
I like Armia but if being traded has that big of an impact on you where you basically shut down for the remainder of the season and have 2 goals in 22 games at the AHL level then it says a lot about your personality. And that's been the problem with him and why he even with those tools he was never a blue chip prospect.
I think he can put it together but it will be a struggle. I've said a few times but I think the player he actually turns into wont be a sniper but a guy who inconsistently puts up 20 goals but is reliable defensively. Like a Frolik who's slightly better offensively and slightly worse defensively.
I think he can put it together but it will be a struggle. I've said a few times but I think the player he actually turns into wont be a sniper but a guy who inconsistently puts up 20 goals but is reliable defensively. Like a Frolik who's slightly better offensively and slightly worse defensively.
Dubi Doo
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I'm pretty sure everyone knew Armia was a high risk/high reward prospect. He did have first line potential when he was drafted, and was showing a lot of promise this season for Rochester. Time will tell if he could put it all together, but I'm not giving up on him yet. First line sniper seems to be a stretch at this point, but I still think he can be a productive top-9 forward. His defensive game gets underrated 'round these parts.
haseoke39
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Armia was having a pretty good season until the trade, actually. I think the story for him is going to be, was the late season slump a product of changing environment? He had similar issues going from Europe to Rochester. If he's able to adjust from that, I think the player we saw most of last season and the playoffs before becomes a pretty decent NHL player.
He might just be an odd bird in that regard, that somehow he's worse than most when changing teams, coaches, linemates, systems, etc. We'll see. Unfortunately, nobody gives you a long adjustment period into the NHL, so we'll see if he's able to jump in and be productive right away. If not, it may be hard for him to establish himself at the next level.
He might just be an odd bird in that regard, that somehow he's worse than most when changing teams, coaches, linemates, systems, etc. We'll see. Unfortunately, nobody gives you a long adjustment period into the NHL, so we'll see if he's able to jump in and be productive right away. If not, it may be hard for him to establish himself at the next level.
jetsforever
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Jets fan just stopping in, noticing that most of you guys seem to like this trade. We pretty much all love it as well. What a great trade, where fans of both teams are satisfied. 
I do miss Kane though...
I do miss Kane though...
TalkingProuder
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As I said in another thread, Tyler Myers is 6'8'' Brian Campbell. Great skater, creates odd-man rushes by carrying the puck up the ice. Good in his own zone, not great.
Bogosian just a human wrecking ball. Fun to watch and tough to play against. He fits Buffalo's team and town like a glove.
Bogosian just a human wrecking ball. Fun to watch and tough to play against. He fits Buffalo's team and town like a glove.
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