Value of: Bryan Rust

[Gurglesons]

Curious how HFBoards feels about this.

Also 15th overall and Hallander amirite?

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[AKL]

Minutes shot up to 15.5 ES, 3 PP from 14 ES, 0 PP.
Attached to Malkin's hip who had a 110 per 82 pace.
28 years old, never scored more than 38 before this.
2 years left at 3.5M.

So whatever the value is for a 40 point right winger that caught lightning in a bottle during one of Malkin's top 3 seasons in his career. I would give up a late 1st at the deadline if my team needed a right wing.

 

[Empoleon8771]

You'll never get any good offers on here for Rust because HF thinks any player that plays with Crosby or Malkin sucks and is just carried by them.

He's at worst about equal to Zucker right now, and he'll jump past Zucker if he repeats what he did last year. I'd consider him a 50-60 point 2-way top-6 winger right now, same as Zucker and similar trade value (1st and B+ prospect) to Zucker. Here's how Rust's 2016-2020 compare to Zucker's 2016-2020:

Rust: 73 goals and 157 points in 253 games (pace of 24 goals and 51 points per 82 games)
Zucker: 96 goals and 194 points in 302 games (pace of 26 goals and 53 points per 82 games)

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Even before he played with Malkin and was lights out, he was still a very effective winger that plays with high intensity, is responsible defensively, and is clutch in playoffs. Not afraid to go into the corners and plays with high IQ. And, if you add in this season, that just shows that he’s capable of raising his play to play with superstars.

The guy should have tons of value, even if you’re not considering his above average ppg pace this season because of all the facets of his game I just mentioned.

Also not to mention he does all those things while being signed at 3.5m.

He could probably be had for draft pick in the 10-15 range or a solid #3 defenseman. Nothing less.

 

[SEALBound]

Judging by what other players have returned and Rust's bargain contract, I would want a 1st+quality prospect at a minimum.

If we are trading him though I'd want an equal roster player back. If we trade Rust and don't get a Rust back, then we have to search for a Rust. Unless it's a Rust for Dman, Pens Dman for a Rust type of thing.

 

[xlm34]

Minutes shot up to 15.5 ES, 3 PP from 14 ES, 0 PP.
Attached to Malkin's hip who had a 110 per 82 pace.
28 years old, never scored more than 38 before this.
2 years left at 3.5M.

So whatever the value is for a 40 point right winger that caught lightning in a bottle during one of Malkin's top 3 seasons in his career. I would give up a late 1st at the deadline if my team needed a right wing.

A good player is given a bigger role and performs well. Crazy how that happens.

 

[TFHockey]

You'll never get any good offers on here for Rust because HF thinks any player that plays with Crosby or Malkin sucks and is just carried by them.

He's at worst about equal to Zucker right now, and he'll jump past Zucker if he repeats what he did last year. I'd consider him a 50-60 point 2-way top-6 winger right now, same as Zucker and similar trade value (1st and B+ prospect) to Zucker. Here's how Rust's 2016-2020 compare to Zucker's 2016-2020:

Rust: 73 goals and 157 points in 253 games (pace of 24 goals and 51 points per 82 games)
Zucker: 96 goals and 194 points in 302 games (pace of 26 goals and 53 points per 82 games)

I think that is a fair analogy. Similar to Zucker in trade value. 1st + a B prospect.

With the flat cap though Pitt might have no choice but to take a some salary back.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think that is a fair analogy. Similar to Zucker in trade value. 1st + a B prospect.

With the flat cap though Pitt might have no choice but to take a some salary back.

I don't think the Penguins would realistically target futures for Rust, I think they'd try to do a swap of similar players. JR wants to get younger and hungrier, which may be difficult to do with Rust but I think it's possible.

I think a Rust deal would be something like Rust for Kapanen, but with some other Kapanen in the NHL.

 

[TFHockey]

I would definitely want to acquire Rust for Edmonton. He would be a nice addition to the top line, replacing the powerhouse Josh Archibald.

Any trade with Edmonton means if salary is coming in then salary has to go out. In this case I would attach Kassian to any trade proposal between these two teams to even the money out. The main parts of the trade are up for negotiation.

I think you guys owe us a solid or two (Schultz, Marino) so maybe temper your demands a bit

 

[Gurglesons]

I would definitely want to acquire Rust for Edmonton. He would be a nice addition to the top line, replacing the powerhouse Josh Archibald.

Any trade with Edmonton means if salary is coming in then salary has to go out. In this case I would attach Kassian to any trade proposal between these two teams to even the money out. The main parts of the trade are up for negotiation.

I think you guys owe us a solid or two (Schultz, Marino) so maybe temper your demands a bit

I don’t think Pitt could afford to take Kassian’s deal.

 

[TFHockey]

I don’t think Pitt could afford to take Kassian’s deal.

Yeah its the ugly fact of the cap era, teams have to move contracts around to make trades work. It really hurts their ability to do deals.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah its the ugly fact of the cap era, teams have to move contracts around to make trades work. It really hurts their ability to do deals.

Eh. I think the intention of moving Rust would be Pitt to shave cap and get a solid young forward that can step into the top nine next season and has top six upside.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

You'll never get any good offers on here for Rust because HF thinks any player that plays with Crosby or Malkin sucks and is just carried by them.

He's at worst about equal to Zucker right now, and he'll jump past Zucker if he repeats what he did last year. I'd consider him a 50-60 point 2-way top-6 winger right now, same as Zucker and similar trade value (1st and B+ prospect) to Zucker. Here's how Rust's 2016-2020 compare to Zucker's 2016-2020:

Rust: 73 goals and 157 points in 253 games (pace of 24 goals and 51 points per 82 games)
Zucker: 96 goals and 194 points in 302 games (pace of 26 goals and 53 points per 82 games)

He’s a good player but Zucker is quite abit better. Rust had Crosby and Malkin. Zucker had Kevin Fiala and Mikko Koivu

 

[Empoleon8771]

He’s a good player but Zucker is quite abit better. Rust had Crosby and Malkin. Zucker had Kevin Fiala and Mikko Koivu

I love Zucker and both are on my favorite team. They're basically equally as good players.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

I love Zucker and both are on my favorite team. They're basically equally as good players.

I think atleast offensively Zucker will outproduce him next season but time will tell.

 

[DesertPenguin]

You'll never get any good offers on here for Rust because HF thinks any player that plays with Crosby or Malkin sucks and is just carried by them.

He's at worst about equal to Zucker right now, and he'll jump past Zucker if he repeats what he did last year. I'd consider him a 50-60 point 2-way top-6 winger right now, same as Zucker and similar trade value (1st and B+ prospect) to Zucker. Here's how Rust's 2016-2020 compare to Zucker's 2016-2020:

Rust: 73 goals and 157 points in 253 games (pace of 24 goals and 51 points per 82 games)
Zucker: 96 goals and 194 points in 302 games (pace of 26 goals and 53 points per 82 games)

And Rust is younger and cheaper, albeit with less term.

 

[DesertPenguin]

I love Zucker and both are on my favorite team. They're basically equally as good players.

I just hope we don't try to have Zucker/Rust and Guentzel/Kapanen pairings. The pairings should be Guentzel/Rust and Zucker/Kapanen, in my opinion.

 

[DesertPenguin]

He’s a good player but Zucker is quite abit better. Rust had Crosby and Malkin. Zucker had Kevin Fiala and Mikko Koivu

Koivu is over the hill, but Fiala is a nice player. I hope you're right that Zucker changes from a 50-60 point player to say a 60-70 point player with the Pens. We'd obviously be thrilled to see that. If the Crosby/Malkin effect is real, we should see Kapanen score 20-30 with them as well.

 

[Djp]

27+ yr old players with 2 yrs left aren’t going to get you a top 15 pick.

Near the deadline with max retained you can get a playoff team 1st+
Bubble teams it likrly is a 2nd+ better prospect

 

[Habs10025]

Pittsburgh aren't trading Rust.

 

[molon labe]

* 14 minute video (of his playoff goals)

* He's just another 35 point winger who plays with Crosby and Malkin.

* Video excludes his best season yet - which was this past season.

 

[Gurglesons]

He’s a good player but Zucker is quite abit better. Rust had Crosby and Malkin. Zucker had Kevin Fiala and Mikko Koivu

Rust was often paired with the 3rd and 4th line centers versus the top line centers in the regular season which is why we saw his production uptick this year when he was played pretty much solely with Malkin.

 

[Syckle78]

No better strategy than buying high on a 28 year old coming off a career year with a high shooting percentage. Definitely no buyer beware in flashing neon lights to be seen here.

 

[K Fleur]

No better strategy than buying high on a 28 year old coming off a career year with a high shooting percentage. Definitely no buyer beware in flashing neon lights to be seen here.

Buyer beware signs never stop NHL GM’s from making moves.

Even if Rust’s shooting percentage regresses(it almost certainly will) we are still talking about a fast 35-40 point player that has shown he can excel in the bottom 6 and also produce with skill players in the top 6.

 

[Empoleon8771]

No better strategy than buying high on a 28 year old coming off a career year with a high shooting percentage. Definitely no buyer beware in flashing neon lights to be seen here.

Rust was still over a half PPG player before this year, so I don't know why you're acting like he only has 1 year of being a great contributor. He was a 2nd/3rd line tweener before this year and has elevated to a 1st/2nd line tweener now.