Speculation: Bryan Rust

[BronzeSpruce]

anyone else think trading Bryan Rust is a horrible idea? His name keeps coming up but I can’t really understand why. I know we need to shed salary and teams want him so that makes him easy to trade but seeing as how you’re trading him for cap purposes that means we most likely aren’t going to be bringing back any NHL ready players.

Rust is pretty much the model player for how they want their role players to play. Fast versatile and defensively responsible. He’s damn near the pens identity that won the cups not to mention a clutch performer. Don’t get me wrong he’s not a super star but he’s a cost effective player who will probably score 15-20 goals each year, kill penalties and can play anywhere in the line up.

I don’t get trades and signings of Kahun and Tanev to them trade Rust. Those guys seem like a down grade to me.

Rant over....sorry

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[wheelz87]

No it is a terrible idea. But we'll see how it all plays out, if we are indeed able to rid ourselves of JJ.

 

[Gurglesons]

Agreed. Trading Rust severely damages this team.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I know this sounds weird, but I agree with Wheelz and Pixies.

Wtf is going on.

 

[Turin]

If they trade JJ I doubt the sweetener is gonna be another contract. It’ll be a pick or a prospect.

 

[WayneSid9987]

I certainly wouldn't involve him as any sweetener in a JJ deal but tell me what you'll give up for him and i'll listen at the very least.
Like say Drouin wears out his stay in MTL as a hypothetical...

 

[mpp9]

If they trade JJ I doubt the sweetener is gonna be another contract. It’ll be a pick or a prospect.

Yeah. Only way I could see a team being able to take all that cap on is if we retain on JJ as well.

And if we retain on JJ AND trade Rust, yikes.

 

[ColePens]

I don't think it deserves it's own thread and has been discussed quite a bit. Majority of people think moving Rust because we have to move JJ would be a bad idea. Pretty simple, IMO>

 

[JRS91]

It depends on what they get back.

If they're using Rust just to dump Johnson, then obviously I want nothing to do with it. If they actually get a decent player back, then would it be worth it? Maybe. It all really depends on how everyone else steps up. I think people really underrate what a guy like Rust means to this team, that said, if guys like Kahun, Tanev, Simon, McCann or whoever they get back for Rust can step up then I'd say it's well worth it.

 

[orby]

The million-dollar question is, "Is what Rust brings to the team more significant that what Johnson takes away from the team?"

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Trading Rust is a horrible idea unless it brings back a player to strengthen a weakness or rids us of JJ. People act like we're trading Rust for no reason.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I don't think it deserves it's own thread and has been discussed quite a bit. Majority of people think moving Rust because we have to move JJ would be a bad idea. Pretty simple, IMO>

Majority? I personally saw Rust as a big detriment to last years team. Tomato/tomato

 

[ColePens]

Majority? I personally saw Rust as a big detriment to last years team. Tomato/tomato

Yes.. your post illustrates everything I said. You are clearly, and often, in the minority of opinion. And that is fine. That's the awesome part of message boards. But you've fallen flat on your face often. And hey - we all have. So it is what it is. But yes - you obviously know you are often in the vast minority of opinions.

 

[orby]

Majority? I personally saw Rust as a big detriment to last years team. Tomato/tomato

I think Rust's struggles early in the year were a big reason the team looked so bad for much of the season. He's a streaky player in a lineup that needed him to be a consistent contributor. IMO it says more about the roster construction than it does about him, though, because the success of the team shouldn't depend on a middle-of-the-road utility player regularly scoring.

 

[Pens x]

Yea, it would be a terrible idea if Rust is used as a please take Johnson sweetener.

 

[Cellee]

WTF? No, we don't trade Rust.

 

[Cellee]

If we need to trade Rust to rid ourselves of Jack Johnson then Rutherford should be kicked out the door.

Horrible ego signing from day 1 signing Johnson.

 

[Peat]

Two part answer -

The first part is that after MP took a bridge contract and we only have to make a minimal move to get cap compliant, there is no point in trading Rust (or anyone we think will have a sizable role) for anything that isn't at least neutral in the Win Now department.

The second part is that after last season I don't get why people see Rust as being notably more valuable than our other depth players. He was okay, nothing majorly bad, but I don't think he distinguished himself from the herd. If he can't back to his best form regularly this season, the trade talk will come back and get louder.

 

[Jacob]

Yes. Rust rules.

 

[Rakell67]

Rust Never Sleeps

 

[Gurglesons]

Two part answer -

The first part is that after MP took a bridge contract and we only have to make a minimal move to get cap compliant, there is no point in trading Rust (or anyone we think will have a sizable role) for anything that isn't at least neutral in the Win Now department.

The second part is that after last season I don't get why people see Rust as being notably more valuable than our other depth players. He was okay, nothing majorly bad, but I don't think he distinguished himself from the herd. If he can't back to his best form regularly this season, the trade talk will come back and get louder.

He has the actual results. Everything else is just statistical prediction which I respect, but as we’ve seen with Carolina statistical prediction only gets you so far. Granted last year it finally clicked for them.

 

[Peat]

He has the actual results. Everything else is just statistical prediction which I respect, but as we’ve seen with Carolina statistical prediction only gets you so far. Granted last year it finally clicked for them.

I would consider last year's stats to be results - there's a number of ways to interpret them, some in his favour and some not.

I think that based on statistical predictions, or at least the only one I've seen, Rust's a guy you'd try to keep even with the current situation - but then that was based on more than last year's stats. Give me 17-18 Rust and I'd probably be a bit more interested in keeping him as well.

 

[Gurglesons]

I would consider last year's stats to be results - there's a number of ways to interpret them, some in his favour and some not.

I think that based on statistical predictions, or at least the only one I've seen, Rust's a guy you'd try to keep even with the current situation - but then that was based on more than last year's stats. Give me 17-18 Rust and I'd probably be a bit more interested in keeping him as well.

So 3 less points and 5more goals makes us not want to keep him?

The team was terrible until December when Rust broke out of the shackles of Brassard and Sheahan.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Ehhhhh.... Im not one to usually get hugely worked up at trading a bottom 6 player, which is what Rust is. Hes a streaky player who struggled last year, hes also making a lot of coin for what he does. Would I trade him for scraps? No. Would I trade him in a hockey trade or as a part of a deal with JJ? Easily yes. Hes also terribly miscast when on Crosby's wing, he sucks there and Id trade him just to make sure that doesnt happen.

 

[Peat]

So 3 less points and 5more goals makes us not want to keep him?

The team was terrible until December when Rust broke out of the shackles of Brassard and Sheahan.

You know me well enough to know I'm not looking at his individual points there.

And the team righting itself had a lot of different components iirc; enough that I'm not crediting Rust all that much.