Post-Game Talk: Bruins - Senators 1-3-2015 - The One With the Painful Powerplay

[L'Aveuglette]

Yea so? We won. We played really well. Karlsson played well. Ryan played awesome.
...... Our powerplay still sucked. What's the issue.

I believe I elaborated plenty on what the issue was.

 

[Push540]

Yea so? We won. We played really well. Karlsson played well. Ryan played awesome.
...... Our powerplay still sucked. What's the issue.

He's not happy because the poor PP is being talked about.

It seems that if you fix problems, there will be less problems later. I think that is good for anyone/ team.

Problem solving is something that most people don't want to do. Some just get bogged down and can't think their way through.

 

[HavlatMach9]

does it feel like Gryba attempts shots quite often?

 

[Karlsson2Turris*]

Well, next time you can actually watch the game and make the PGT yourself. You can call it "I think everything is awesome" PGT.

This

Love that Choco is a mod. Calls it like he sees it.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

This

Love that Choco is a mod. Calls it like he sees it.

Sure fits the overall mood on this board, yeah.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

He's not happy because the poor PP is being talked about.

It seems that if you fix problems, there will be less problems later. I think that is good for anyone/ team.

Problem solving is something that most people don't want to do. Some just get bogged down and can't think their way through.

Did you read the posts? Maybe you need to learn reading comprehension.

I speak in pretty plain language. Get out of your head and read the words on the page.

And so on.

 

[Othello*]

It wasn't "too" negative, it was plain negative.

We won.

Against Boston.

In an afternoon game.

And our PGT's title is whiny.



No amount of justification changes that.

This.

Wow never knew people can be so negative after a win.

 

[Six Assets]

great PGT title, we need more titles like this one.

 

[Push540]

Did you read the posts? Maybe you need to learn reading comprehension.

I speak in pretty plain language. Get out of your head and read the words on the page.

And so on.

What's more of a story after a win? Beating a rival in a situation we usually fail in, or the PP?

Sorry but the title is very misleading. You'd think we lost.

Couldn't watch the game but how depressing to come over here excited about an afternoon win versus Boston of all teams and see so many negative posts, including the thread's title itself.

I guess some people just enjoy being miserable.

Edit: Looking at who made the thread, not surprised that it focuses on the negative DESPITE A WIN against a tough rival.

My quote regarding on what "the issue is".

He's not happy because the poor PP is being talked about.

So isn't it that fact we are talking about the PP??? Is that not your gripe?

It looks like at least two people don't know what you're upset about then. What's the issue?

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I have followed this team some seasons now, partly because of Karlsson but also because I find the guys here on Ottawa boards funny, pleasant and knows hockey for the most part. I want tthis team well and one can say I root for them even if karlsson plays like crap.

With that said I must say I doubt coach is to blame for the lousy PP or their place in the standings. If we watch other teams their players are quick into corners, competes more and their players don't treat their sticks as they are logs.

In tonights game it was painful to watch zibby and a few other players handle the puck. I have seen 8 years kids with better hands. So the major problem is the urge to come first to loose pucks and lack of enough good players. Their success when they were pesky was because they dug in and did not hesitate at all in any situation.

Well said.

This team has awful hands when looking at anything stick related. Passes are often horrible, shooting accuracy is bad, we have a hard time moving the puck.

Sometimes it feels like the guys threw all their sticks in a big pile at center ice before the game and grabbed sticks to use at random.

They need to have some up-tempo practices where they focus on just passing to one another.

 

[Push540]

Well said.

This team has awful hands when looking at anything stick related. Passes are often horrible, shooting accuracy is bad, we have a hard time moving the puck.

Sometimes it feels like the guys threw all their sticks in a big pile at center ice before the game and grabbed sticks to use at random.

They need to have some up-tempo practices where they focus on just passing to one another.

I thought the issues were more "mistake" related, rather than chronic issues with the "basics" of hockey. Perhaps because some of the mistakes are so glaring I got that impression.

 

[HSF]

sens played pretty well

we might actually make the playoffs

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

They seem to want to get rid of everyone over 25 yrs of age. I guess they would be happy with a team of kids & probably all Swedes. Maybe we can trade everyone we have for the junior Swedish team.

See, posts like this are the problem.

We can all see the team desperately need some elite skill on the roster. And yes, some posters will go aww shucks, we got a point, I want a better draft pick.

For some reason, people got nuts and think that means burn it all to the ground!!!!!!!!!! Only 20 year olds and under!!!!!!!!! Trade everyone of value!!!!!!!!! and all that kind of thing.

It's not one extreme or the other, folks. Everyone here ultimately wants the team to one day have a Cup. There's just different perceptions how we get there.



I can see why the tanking crowd talks that way. Eugene is all about cost-per-point and being just good enough to sneak into the first round, and "hope for the best." That doesn't exactly inspire confidence. And it's not like he's going to be opening up his wallet for big names any time soon. He had to with Bobby because the fanbase was on the brink of collapse with all the recent big-name departures.

At the same time, I can also see what the non-tankers are saying. Edmonton is the perfect example of what not to do with kids. There are also teams like the Islanders who get high picks, and try doing the best they can to nuture them, but have a hard time making that next step. Draft picks aren't a guarantee.

Simple fact is, if a team wants to be successful and become a contender, they must have several things go right:
-great drafting
-having some elite talent both on the forward and defensive ranks
-great coaching
-strong trades
-money, the ability to go out and pick up high quality missing pieces when needed
-strong culture...a team with character and a positive environment that will sacrifice both on and off the ice
-respect...respect within the NHL, from the fans (both the fanbase and around the league) and from the zebras
-and a horse shoe up the butt.....luck plays a huge factor

We basically have half the ingredients needed at the moment. Will we manage to get the other half? What is the best route to get those missing ingredients? If I knew, I'd be sitting in the GM's office instead of at home in front of my pc.

 

[DylanSensFan]

sens played pretty well

we might actually make the playoffs

I am feeling the playoffs... Karlsson, Bobby, and Anderson are going to carry our arse into the post season.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I am feeling the playoffs... Karlsson, Bobby, and Anderson are going to carry our arse into the post season.

Not getting my hopes up, I have a "I ain't even mad" way of thinking this season, something that I think we would all benefit from again.

 

[DylanSensFan]

i don't know if the players we have now alone can solve the problem, but it can be addressed in free agency. it puts us at a disadvantage straightaway and we can't exert ourselves fully

realistically, even picking pretty high is going to yield an average player that can be acquired in free agency.

Crosby and Malkin were horrid at faceoffs when they entered the league, so was Toews. Just give it time and development.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Crosby and Malkin were horrid at faceoffs when they entered the league, so was Toews. Just give it time and development.

Thats the kind of thing a Zack Smith or JG Pageau could and should focus on. Zenon Konopka made a lengthy career out of filling a couple niches including being an ace at faceoffs. It would be nice if one of the Sens bottom 6 guys turned themselves into a faceoff specialist.

Would be even nicer if Zibby or Turris did it lol.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Thats the kind of thing a Zack Smith or JG Pageau could and should focus on. Zenon Konopka made a lengthy career out of filling a couple niches including being an ace at faceoffs. It would be nice if one of the Sens bottom 6 guys turned themselves into a faceoff specialist.

Would be even nicer if Zibby or Turris did it lol.

Agreed.

If I was an NHLer (lawls) playing an easily-replaceable role (as in, bottom pairing, or bottom 6), I'd be looking for any edge possible to stay in the game. Being a faceoff specialist would be a great niche, as they're always needed.

 

[HSF]

tanking means going for the 1st overall

i am sorry but a team with andy karlsson and ryan is not getting a top 2 pick

so no we can't tank cause we arent bad enough to get a top 2 pick. i rather just have the guys play the best they can and continually build the team..... and hope a trade is made to add talent/ let the scouts do their job

worry about cutting some weight when the trade deadline comes or adding young talent

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

tanking means going for the 1st overall

i am sorry but a team with andy karlsson and ryan is not getting a top 2 pick

so no we can't tank cause we arent bad enough to get a top 2 pick. i rather just have the guys play the best they can and continually build the team..... and hope a trade is made to add talent/ let the scouts do their job

worry about cutting some weight when the trade deadline comes or adding young talent

I don't think that we should even be thinking about tanking with the way this team has been playing. We're 6 points back of a playoff spot with 3 games in hand. It's gonna be a battle, but we could be right in it.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I would rather be a team that goes through the cycle of (for example) being very bad for 5 and then elite for ten. Then bad for five. Elite for team. Rather than be the team that's just average 7-10 in the conference for 30 years. Because the team that was elite for the 20 has more cups than the average long term team. We need the top end talent. And we won't be getting it in later round a la Detroit back in the day. We were an average team. Then we retooled so that we could stay average.
Be bad. Get the stars. Fill the building collect the revenue build the team around them (we already have a very good supporting core. Very very good. Lines 2 through 4 are set for the next 10 years)

But then people counter with "but but then we will be Edmonton?!" Why on this good green earth would we ever develop our players like Edmonton!!! We have Turris. And zibanejad who give us the luxury of not rushing these guys. FOR EXAMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!*******. Mceichel does not have to come in here and be the go to guy right away. He doesn't need to have the weight of the world on his shoulders. He can play 2 nd line. Third line. Heck. He can even play another year in junior.

Do not fear. We will not turn into the oilers just because we traded Anderson to collect assets and drafted high. There is much much more to edmontons failures than that. Failures that we won't experience because of the strong core already in place. This .500 stuff looks like it is going to last a long while. I would rather a cycle of high years and low years than all the years stuck in hockey limbo.

If we have all these pieces that make McDavid or whoever come in and be sheltered how are we one of the worst teams in the league???

If you want to tank you have to trade Turris, trade Anderson, Tonya Harding Karlsson, waive Ryan and send Ceci to the AHL. Then you have no team around your prized pick.

This team just isn't that bad. Not even close.

 

[Rodzilla]

You know what's bothering me about HFSens? It's the people coming in here and saying our GDTs are laughable and we are a joke. To be honest get off your high horses like you are all better than everyone in here!

It is a game day thread, which means people will critic the good from the team but also the bad. Since we are an inconsistent team you will see a fair amount of critics of the bad on this team. I don't get the HF police crew acting all mature and stuff,there are younger posters in here and opinions will differ but it is what makes this forum interesting. Do I agree with everyone? No. Do I think some have an agenda? Yeah. Do I have one? Sometimes. Does everyone agree with me? No.

If you don't like the GDT don't read it, it is getting really annoying each game reading some of you coming in here acting smart and mature on a hockey forum. This site is here for critics, what do you expect?

I cheer for wins, each and every game. I am really happy we won, but when we are down 2-1 in the game and some people are making mistakes I will use my views to make critics on what went wrong, isn't that what this is here for?

Also, I will never cheer for my team to lose. Obviously I would be happy with McDavid or Eichel, but as I get older I can see more clearly, this team isn't bad enough!


Keep it going Senators, btw it has been around 7-8 solid games in a row for Karlsson

Karlsson and Ryan were very good. I thought Ryan looked faster. Hoffman is dangerous when he uses his speed it's crazy.

Boston grinds you down and I don't think it fits well with some of our players. I don't like Turris on the PP lately, decisions seems off and his passes are rockets and he never one times it even when he has great looks.

Anderson was good too!

 

[Iamok]

Oh look, a PGT that is hardly about the game at all.

If this is how it's going to be from now on, perhaps we should just have a tanking thread, like in the past, where the pro-tankers can have at it and the rest of us can just ignore it.

 

[DylanSensFan]

Thats the kind of thing a Zack Smith or JG Pageau could and should focus on. Zenon Konopka made a lengthy career out of filling a couple niches including being an ace at faceoffs. It would be nice if one of the Sens bottom 6 guys turned themselves into a faceoff specialist.

Would be even nicer if Zibby or Turris did it lol.

Zib and Turris have been making strides... I have noticed a big difference especially in Zib. Boston is just killer at faceoffs, and makes a lot of teams look stupid. I think our team was also sleepy, and players like Zib were not on their game.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I believe I elaborated plenty on what the issue was.

Yeah but dude. Were a discussion forum. Not a newspaper headline. The team probably isn't going to see this it's not as if it will destroy their morale