Proposal: Bruins - Sabres

[AngryMilkcrates]

I do know that. However, Carlo and Swayman dont get you a 1C. Mittelstadt will probably peak out as a serviceable 2C. He is the replacement for Krejci. For a 1C you have to pay. Pay a shitload or overpay in UFA for a 28+

Agreed.

 

[jonlin]

Agreed.

Probably the best fit for Bruins would be sebastian Aho - IF he goes UFA in 2024. Defensively sound 2-way C, but he will probably be in the 10M range then...

 

[samsagat]

"Overpay in UFA for 28+"

Probably the route they're gonna take.

That or a "Horvat" type of deal, like they did for Lindholm.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

Any ECHL goalie would look real good playing for Boston.

No

 

[is the answer jesus]

Completely unimpressive package from Buffalo. Mittelstadt is mediocre, Bruins have Keyser/ Bussi who could backup Ullmark if Swayman was moved. Carlo isn’t moving as Clifton & Grzelcyk would be dealt first for cap space.

You can have Derek Forbort for a 3rd

I wouldn't claim Forbort if he were on waivers. So I'll go ahead and pass on giving the Bruins a draft pick for him.
As for Mittelstadt he looks like a player that's starting to figure things out. He's at 53 points on the season and I still think he's got a higher ceiling. He's signed on a cheap deal at 2.5 million next season. If that's "mediocre" to the Bruins I'm cool keeping the player and gambling on the upside of a cheap young player.
I would assume Boston will look elsewhere on their roster to shed salary. Carlo and Swayman are important pieces of their team and aren't/won't be overpaid in the near future. If Boston is backed into a corner they'll ship players like that out of the division.

 

[Gabrielor]

Pass. No interest in giving Boston youth.

It's past-due for them to fall back; it's been close to 15 years since they weren't at least playoff competitive.

Since I've seen it in multiple threads now too, no, you aren't getting Cozens. Stop. You've had your time. You're currently at near the peak of it.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

You're not getting Swayman and Carlo in division for a bust like Middlestadt

 

[cg98]

If that's the sort of price, I'd think Buffalo might speak to the Jets to discuss Pionk and Hellebuyck

They'd need someone who can defend lol. If the Jets are blowing it up in the offseason, my guess is Buffalo would rather go after DeMelo.

 

[HaNotsri]

Not saying it's fair value but if Buffalo and Boston would make a trade Boston would heavily try to get Cozens.
Also Sabres have been very patient with Mittelstadt, why would they move him now?

Yeah and Buffalo would need to get Pastrnak back in such a deal. Never happening.

 

[Djp]

If Bergeron and Krejci is retiring and Bruins decide to do a retool, they have a few pieces that will return a lot that could be available. Buffalo seem like a good tradepartner, even if its inside division. Buffalo`s biggest needs are a goalie and a stellar 3-4D. Boston need C:s and cap/picks

Buffalo get:

G Swayman RFA extension in the 3-4M range
D Carlo 4.1M UFA 2027

Boston get:

C Mittelstadt 2.5M RFA 2024
D Jokiharju 2.5M RFA 2024
G Luukkonen .837M RFA 2024
1st 2024 top5 protected

Would you do it?

Boston isn’t moving him.

It might be a personal preference here, but I have zero interest in Mittelstadt.
Zacha is doing great as our Krejci replacement. We need a 1C for Bergeron when he retires. I don't see Mittelstadt as that. Coyle at 3 C is a lock and 4C we have a very good Nosek, eventually Beecher. 3 of our 4 C positions are filled post-retirement. That's why people are mentioning Couzins so much. Boston's need is a franchise C, not a middle 6 guy.

Now, do you want to prove he is a future 1C on a playoff team?
Go right ahead. Would be an interesting conversation, no doubt.
But simply making him the centerpiece in a Deal where Boston gives up a lot is insufficient. You are going to have to sell him to the posters here.

Boston isn’t getting a franchise C in a trade. They have to UFA shop.

 

[Gabrielor]

You're not getting Swayman and Carlo in division for a bust like Middlestadt

53 point NHL season isn't a bust.

Below Pronman-high expectations? Yes.

Bust? No. Zach Senyshyn. That's a bust.

 

[is the answer jesus]

53 point NHL season isn't a bust.

Below Pronman-high expectations? Yes.

Bust? No. Zach Senyshyn. That's a bust.

The development curve for Mittelstadt was always going to be a bit longer. He was rushed into the NHL and lost quite a bit of development time playing on bad teams with bad coaches. He was certainly overhyped by Pronman (and others) after the WJC but it does give you some insight into just how talented Mittelstadt is to be regarded as one of the best prospects in the game. I think we're starting to see him emerge as a legitimate 2nd liner. Since February he's been on a roughly 70 point pace with 25 points in 29 games. I think people that don't watch the Sabres very often are just ignorant of how good Casey has been for the Sabres down the stretch this season.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Not saying it's fair value but if Buffalo and Boston would make a trade Boston would heavily try to get Cozens.
Also Sabres have been very patient with Mittelstadt, why would they move him now?

Cozens is not moving for anything on that list. Pretty much zero chance. He's 22, signed for $7.1 M and about to close on a 30+ goal, 70+ point season. His value is sky-high.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Casey's value has jumped way up. At $2.5 M with a year of team control and a likely finish of about 13+ goals and 50+ points gives him tons of value.

 

[McJedi]

If Bergeron and Krejci is retiring and Bruins decide to do a retool, they have a few pieces that will return a lot that could be available. Buffalo seem like a good tradepartner, even if its inside division. Buffalo`s biggest needs are a goalie and a stellar 3-4D. Boston need C:s and cap/picks

Buffalo get:

G Swayman RFA extension in the 3-4M range
D Carlo 4.1M UFA 2027

Boston get:

C Mittelstadt 2.5M RFA 2024
D Jokiharju 2.5M RFA 2024
G Luukkonen .837M RFA 2024
1st 2024 top5 protected

Would you do it?

Buffalo adds IMO. Value favors them too much.

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

No not Helping bruins out in this trade

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

Watch mitts do 60-70 points next season That would be 2 to pasta

 

[kthx]

Cozens is not moving for anything on that list. Pretty much zero chance. He's 22, signed for $7.1 M and about to close on a 30+ goal, 70+ point season. His value is sky-high.

Exactly my point. Bruins and Sabres are not great trade partners.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

You're not getting Swayman and Carlo in division for a bust like Middlestadt

Not really sure who this Middlestadt bust your talking about but the Sabres 50 point center Casey Mittelstadt is not a bust, he might not be a top center but he does play in the middle 6.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

1) Not saying it's fair value but if Buffalo and Boston would make a trade Boston would heavily try to get Cozens.
2) Also Sabres have been very patient with Mittelstadt, why would they move him now?

1) Cozens is as close to untouchable as you get on a developing roster. Age, contract, production, leadership, he checks basically every box and on top of it he's a center.
2) Swayman, there's also the numbers game, mitts is basically forward 6 and the 5 above him are all signed reasonably long term or are jack quinn and theres 4-5 younger prospects with legitimate top 6 potential coming behind him, he's the perfect answer to the classic hf question "whats my teams version of bozak and a second I can offer for every fringe elite talent that comes available"

 

[bearcountry17]

What is the 3rd team involved getting out of this because there is zero chance the Bruins move Swayman within the division.

 

[Oates2Neely]

I wouldn't claim Forbort if he were on waivers. So I'll go ahead and pass on giving the Bruins a draft pick for him.
As for Mittelstadt he looks like a player that's starting to figure things out. He's at 53 points on the season and I still think he's got a higher ceiling. He's signed on a cheap deal at 2.5 million next season. If that's "mediocre" to the Bruins I'm cool keeping the player and gambling on the upside of a cheap young player.
I would assume Boston will look elsewhere on their roster to shed salary. Carlo and Swayman are important pieces of their team and aren't/won't be overpaid in the near future. If Boston is backed into a corner they'll ship players like that out of the division.

Big deal. Middelstadt is not better than Coyle whom is the Bruins 3rd line center. You’re suggesting we move out key cogs on the roster for a guy who’d essentially be the Bruins 4th line center? Bruins need top 6 centers next season not bottom 6 fodder.

Forbort, Hall, Grzelcyk, etc…. Those are names I suspect are shopped.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Carlo for Kulich

As a Bruins fan, I'd fo that deal in a heartbeat.

Win/win deal?

 

[Zman5778]

Carlo for Kulich

As a Bruins fan, I'd fo that deal in a heartbeat.

Win/win deal?

Kulich was untouchable for a Chychrun deal......Adams flat-out admitted to such.

If he's untouchable for Chychrun, he's extra-super-duper untouchable for Carlo.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Kulich was untouchable for a Chychrun deal......Adams flat-out admitted to such.

If he's untouchable for Chychrun, he's extra-super-duper untouchable for Carlo.

Fair, but it doesn't mean Sabres turned down a 1-1 deal, it means that they were unwilling to make Kulich one of the pieces the Yotes wanted