Great trade by JR !!!I feel they are both pretty good with their first passes. In a rush up the ice/mobility to pinch...eeeh.
I think Dumo is closer to a Vlasic than one would initially think.
Pens are lucky he's pretty much turned out!
Great trade by JR !!!I feel they are both pretty good with their first passes. In a rush up the ice/mobility to pinch...eeeh.
I think Dumo is closer to a Vlasic than one would initially think.
Pens are lucky he's pretty much turned out!
Re: Vlasic in particular, what do you mean by 'carry the play?'
Vlasic has had multiple 30+ pt seasons.
You can’t use the Vlasic played with Burns, Boyle and Ehrhoff thing, because Dumo has played with Letang.
Seabrook has put up 7 goals or more 9 times in his career.
They’re just better all around players. It is no slight to Dump. He’s a great # 3 and a top pairing stud when he’s got an offensive weapon next to him.
That's the name of a number 2 dman though.
trying to get people to agree with what makes someone a #2 vs #3 is tough. It really depends on how the team is built. With Letang, I think Dumo is damn near perfect as our #2. If he was better offensively, we'd probably want him as our #3 running the 2nd pairing. So being better could easily see him "demoted" on the depth chart.
What a rock this guy is. This guy deserves more love. He is one of the best defensive dmen in business and Dumo-Letang is one of the best pairs in the league. Getting him in that Staal deal was a godsend, not sure if we have those Cups without him. Also, his 4M contract until 2023 is just fantastic for us, Dumoulin in this NHL easily deserves more than 6M and it will only look better as time goes on and cap raises. What a piece he is for our organization...
Let me say this. I believe Dumo has # 2 potential, but he hasn’t proven it here outside of a few games in the playoffs.
And even then his pairing kind of sucked in two of the four series if I remember right.
Great trade by JR !!!
Love Dumoulin and think he is a great top pairing defensive defenseman but he does not derserve more than $6 million. $4 million is a great deal for him but really hard to get $6 million unless you have a more offensive game.
I agree the Dumoulin-Letang pairing is one of the best in the NHL this year. I think that pairing being able to shut down other teams best players and Murray healthy and playing at his normal abilities allows this team to take out any team in the NHL. This team has all the pieces to get it done once Schultz gets back.
Really in the Cap era it is hard to put a better team together. We all would like Brassard to be putting up better numbers but he is a quality Center. Being able to have a Pearson-Brassard-Kessel 3rd line is insane for Cap era. Also now that Simon, Aston-Reese, and Cullen are heating up this team has depth everywhere. Backup goalie leading league in GAA for goalies on pace for 50 starts or more. Murray on god mode. This might be the best team Pens have had since they dominated in the first of the back to back Cups. Plus JR has over $5 million to add at the deadline. If the team stays healthy we will be a tough out.
Just wait some more years when cap raises even more. Dumo is signed till 2023. He is probably worth around 6M now, will be even more going forward as he matures even more and cap raises even more. I mean Schultz is making 5.5M per now, Dumo is easily more important than that. Even Maatta is making more than Dumo. Around the league it is even worse. That contract is ridiculously good for us, I think we can all agree with that.
Dumoulin probably being the biggest factor why that trade worked out. Imagine otherwise. Sutter meh and Pouliot meh.
I know Sutter turn into Bonino, but had they only drafted properly with that pick they'd be sitting pretty sick at both wings. Maatta was with our own pick, and they got lucky there, but they could have been set with having Forsberg at LW. To the point they could have moved on sooner with some players, but you can't gripe about results.
But Schultz can carry a pairing.
People point to Dumo as some revelation in 16-17, I’d argue Schultz was more impressive especially in the regular season and that is where I disagree that Dumo is Vlasic and Seabrook level. Vlasic and Seabrook both could play Letang minutes and look like a # 1 in their primes.
and this is why I think the notation is tricky. Which role requires the better player, the #2 spot along-side Letang on the top pair, or the #3 spot running the 2nd pair? The answer is obviously "it depends"Dumoulin is still the perfect #2 and Schultz the perfect #3. They do what you want in those spots. Pens have plenty of great options for the #4 spot. Pens defense will be perfectly set up when Schultz gets back. Still wish it was 3 Lefties and 3 righties but can’t ask for everything.
Dumoulin is still the perfect #2 and Schultz the perfect #3. They do what you want in those spots. Pens have plenty of great options for the #4 spot. Pens defense will be perfectly set up when Schultz gets back. Still wish it was 3 Lefties and 3 righties but can’t ask for everything.
For the cap era this team has depth almost everywhere and no real weakness. That is hard to do in the cap era and even harder when you have many elite players that take up a lot of cap space. JR has really done a nice job with this team. This 2 trades that seemed minor have really made the team stronger. With $5+ million cap space at the deadline it will be interesting what he does.
He’s the perfect 2 with Kris Letang on the other side.
If he was traded to another team or Letang went down, you start to see his offensive limitations.