Discussion in 'Pittsburgh Penguins' started by Will Hunting, Jan 5, 2019.
Was there a vocal group of people trying to move Dumo?
I think Dumoulin would give you more offense on a pairing away from Letang. He has the skating and skill to break the puck out by himself and was doing so regularly last playoffs. Might be something to look into if Pettersson keeps developing and can work with Letang at some point.
From what I can remember, I'm trying not to laugh here, it's because he sucked offensively and that at his cap hit he should be producing more.
One of the best defensive d-men in the game, would love to see him mentor Pettersson to play same type of game, because i see lot of similar things with him and Dumo.
Adam Foote at eliteprospects.com
Foote's career high in point was 31 and he played on what was basically an all-star team.
Dumoulin is on pace to score 22 points this year. I mean, offense is not a necessity.
I concur. Dumo is a stud, a bon-fide #2 D-man on a championship team. If we traded him, we'd instantly be looking to acquire a player just like him. He doesn't put up huge numbers, and is not a power-play guy; but he can skate and move the puck.
FWIW, he brings more offense in the playoffs, 21 pts in 61 playoff games the last 3 years, a 28-point pace; including 7 points in 12 games last year.
So according to this chart Maatta is a... superstar?
Well it looks like he should warrant a higher return than EK if we’re thinking of trading him....and how great must our D be that we can afford to play our best D man on the third pairing regularly...
Dumo is what you hope you're defensive defensemen develop into. If Petersson gets even near his level we're in really good hands for a top 4.
Apparently. Seemed pretty shocking.
Because he is as good as Vlasic and Seabrook. Youre the only one in this thread who doesnt share the same opinion.
IMO Dumo is what everyone thought/hoped Marc Methot would be. Methot never seemed to impress when his partner (eg: Karlsson) was out, while Dumo managed to carry Ron Hainsey to a Cup.
Hainsey is the #4 dman on the Leafs, by TOI/GP. He's also #4 by EV TOI/GP.
Prime Vlasic and Seabrook were 35-45 pt players putting up 5-10 goal seasons.
I own a Dumo Jersey and he’s one of my favorite players. He’s nowhere near the level of those guys.
Eh, I'd second pixie on this, Dumo's not at the same level of those two. But that doesn't mean he's bad, doesn't mean he isn't a top pairing defenseman, doesn't even mean I'd trade him for either of those two. He's just a step behind them from an offensive prospective, that's all.
The difference of a prime Vlasic is he could be "the guy" on his pair. I love Dumo, but he's more of a complementary player. He's a damn good one, but he doesn't carry the play as well as prime Vlasic or Seabrook could.
I was speaking purely from a defensive perspective tbh. I think he's very very close.
Re: Vlasic in particular, what do you mean by 'carry the play?'
Dumoulin isn’t very critical to his team generating shot attempts but is good at surpressing them.
Is that very different than Vlasic?
I believe he is one of the better shutdown defensemen in the league and believe he is generally underrated. He has done some of his finest work in some of the biggest games against the best players. The job he does against Ovi is something I have rarely seen done. He has a great first pass and support the rush. With that being said, I don't think there is a guy his size that has such a muffin for a shot. What also works to his detriment is that if he is with Letang for the foreseeable future, he won't even rack up those assists that defensemen with a good first pass typically get because Letang breaks the put out.
Vlasic is better with the puck. Or at least he was in his prime. He's less dependant on a puck moving partner.
I feel they are both pretty good with their first passes. In a rush up the ice/mobility to pinch...eeeh.
I think Dumo is closer to a Vlasic than one would initially think.
Pens are lucky he's pretty much turned out!
He's closer than I'd have ever guessed certainly but I still think prime vlasic had more ability with the puck. And I think his point totals pretty well demonstrate that.
Like I said though I love dumo. He's perfect for what we need.
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