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Burke and his shtick are old and tiresome but I`ll take his word before MOC 8 days a week. We can all discuss/argue about his return being stronger but ...
I’m sure some of you know this, but did the rest of you know that Joe Thornton and Tyler Seguin had IDENTICAL 6-12-18 playoff scoring lines during their years with the Bruins?
I for one was very disappointed with Thornton while he was here. Maybe I read the papers and magazines wrong, but I expected more than six goals and twelve assists in 35 playoff games. Made it out of the first round once (1999) and had three goals (half his Boston playoff total) in 11 playoff games that season.
As I said, I expected a lot more. Wasn’t sad to see him go.
Thing with Seguin is that he was always healthy. He had that gigantic start with 3 goals, 3 assists in his first 2 playoff games then had 3 goals, 9 assists in his next 40 games. So much of the blame for Thornton goes to that pointless '04 Habs series but I remember him being injured in that. It would kind of be like getting on Bergeron in 2012 when he put up 2 assists against the Caps while injured or something.I’m sure some of you know this, but did the rest of you know that Joe Thornton and Tyler Seguin had IDENTICAL 6-12-18 playoff scoring lines during their years with the Bruins?
I for one was very disappointed with Thornton while he was here. Maybe I read the papers and magazines wrong, but I expected more than six goals and twelve assists in 35 playoff games. Made it out of the first round once (1999) and had three goals (half his Boston playoff total) in 11 playoff games that season.
As I said, I expected a lot more. Wasn’t sad to see him go.
trade obviously sucked, but stuart got us ference, and without him, who knows what
happens in 2011.
Fairly or unfairly Bergeron gets a pass from me because he plays his guts out every night and produces almost all the time. His career is liberally sprinkled with big goals in big moments. Thornton never did anything of importance here. Ever. If he had, I’d look at him differently.Thing with Seguin is that he was always healthy. He had that gigantic start with 3 goals, 3 assists in his first 2 playoff games then had 3 goals, 9 assists in his next 40 games. So much of the blame for Thornton goes to that pointless '04 Habs series but I remember him being injured in that. It would kind of be like getting on Bergeron in 2012 when he put up 2 assists against the Caps while injured or something.
I’m sure some of you know this, but did the rest of you know that Joe Thornton and Tyler Seguin had IDENTICAL 6-12-18 playoff scoring lines during their years with the Bruins?
I for one was very disappointed with Thornton while he was here. Maybe I read the papers and magazines wrong, but I expected more than six goals and twelve assists in 35 playoff games. Made it out of the first round once (1999) and had three goals (half his Boston playoff total) in 11 playoff games that season.
As I said, I expected a lot more. Wasn’t sad to see him go.
By the way... for me, Marco Sturm’s OT goal in the 2010 Winter Classic is far better than anything Joe Thornton ever did in a Bruins uniform (or anywhere else).
I say we won the trade on the strength of that one moment. No Show Joe never would have won that game for the Bruins.
keeping thornton would have meant keeping the clique... keeping a lockerroom full of losers... keeping a dysfunctional enviroment...
keeping him wasnt the right decesion... but I still feel a little underwhelmed by the return. I dont think burke's offer is anything to get excited about. I think boston ownership didnt want joe coming back to 'haunt' the bruins so I do believe Occonnell was under orders to not deal thornton into the East and try to avoid trading him to a team that might likely make the cup finals to face boston there too.
brad stuart was a 3rd overall draft pick and was just 25-26 years old at the time of the trade. there was every good faith reason to believe he would be a top pair dman for us 5-6-7 more years after the trade. he actually was a 12 goal/43 point guy in the year of the trade. he was always pretty decent defensively too. Obviously his career sort of tanked right around this time... he would end up playing on 4 teams in just 3 years. They said his wife became a problem. Who knows exactly what that means, but it seems to me we might guess that home life got in the way of his being able to prioritize hockey?
Marco Sturm was a first round pick... very successful... he was in the middle of his 4th strait 20 goal campaign. he would score 106 goals in 302 games with the bruins over the next 5 years... thats right around a 28 goal per full 82 game season average. the worst thing you might say about sturm is he was already 27 at the time of the trade so he wasnt going to be a long term solution
wayne primeau was a character guy... and an honest warrior. boston knew their weakness was their clique in the locker room and the lack of compete those players had. primeau was around to fill a hole until he could be upgraded but boston had a plan they were changing the team. primeau served a small but useful purpose.
the deal ultimately didnt work out great but it was not nearly as bad as some want to make out... and burkes deal doesnt improve over it
This.trade obviously sucked, but stuart got us ference, and without him, who knows what
happens in 2011.
And if they don't trade him, butterfly effect, Zhamnov doesn't hit that rut in the ice and break his ankle, which means A. No space to sign Savard that summer and B. They finish a little higher in the standings and don't draft Kessel. No Kessel means no scoring winger for Krejci, no Seguin and Hamilton, etc. So the window closes a lot sooner.The "culture of losing" thing is tough. Like Chara was always the guy that couldn't get it done until he did, same with Ovechkin.
All in all I think the move on from Thornton benefited the Bruins, but there are so many different factors at play. If they don't trade Thornton, they don't sign Savard. If Bergeron and Savard don't have their injury issues in succession the way they did, Krejci doesn't emerge the way he does and the Bergeron/Krejci duo probably doesn't become the focal point of the offense for 10+ years.
According to Keenan, Florida turned down Thornton for Luongo because the Flordia maangement didn't want to take on Thornton's contract. I wonder if the Bruins would have been in on Giguere being one of the pieces coming back.
According to Keenan, Florida turned down Thornton for Luongo because the Flordia maangement didn't want to take on Thornton's contract. I wonder if the Bruins would have been in on Giguere being one of the pieces coming back.
Burke's lying through his teeth and being an ass clown as usual. If he had a legitimate offer on the table they would have rumored Thornton to go to Anaheim and he would have piped up at the time of the trade about it. Why he's even bringing this up almost a decade plus after the trade has been made baffles my mind.
Yeah. IMO Burke is as you say an "ass clown.''
Some of the trades he's made should make him just keep quiet and thank God that
he's made such a great living at the sport he loves. Pointing the finger at MOC about this
is unnecessary at this point. He still was able to get Kessel from Boston in that trade (which he lost btw) a trade that he forced down the B's throats yet still came back to bite him in the ass.
On the other hand
O'Connell was a bit of a shallow thinker and was probably threatened with his job.
I could see Sinden telling him that JJ wanted to "make the playoffs (that) season" and
to not deal for futures. " You cost this team BIG with the contract you handed him and if you want to redeem yourself and keep your job MOC, get this deal done PRONTO!"
So he shit his britches, only contacted a few teams and made a deal in haste.
He probably was also afraid that Joe may fake an injury or do something crappy to ruin
a trade if word got out far and wide and reached his agent that "the Bruins are shopping Thornton."
The funny thing is how they did a similar if not worse deal with Seguin.
Seems to be a DNA thing with the Bruins organization.
If MOC etc were still in charge they probably would've traded Pasta for not being a "200 foot player" after his first year. Hopefully Don Sweeney has stopped this kind of organizational dysfunction for good.
I always feared that if Pastrnak scored more than 20 goals when Chiarelli was GM he would have sent him to the Western Conference for another Rich Peverley type.
When Pasta was playing 3rd line in last year’s playoffs I prepared myself for the worst. Being a Bruin fan is such a fun time....
Burke and his shtick are old and tiresome but I`ll take his word before MOC 8 days a week. We can all discuss/argue about his return being stronger but ...