Brandon Sutter
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Sidney the Kidney
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- Jun 29, 2009
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Just think how great that trade would've been if the Pens had taken Trouba with that pick.
/canofworms
I'm not disappointed to have him on the 3rd line. He's a good defensive option to have there but he seems to be making more mistakes lately. If he didn't improve by season's end then I wouldn't be disappointed to see him go or stay but we'd need someone to replace him.
I do agree with the latter. And, I'm not in full ZOMG we must trade him mode. I look at him like I do Nisky: Is something gained (player, prospect, cap space) from moving him that justifies whatever potential falloff their might be to using his replacement?
I won't comment any further on the former.
I would package Jokinen into a trade for a top 6 winger before I'd throw Sutter in.
Pretty good assessment, IMO. At his pay on this team at the salary cap, he's serviceable. Interesting how players move into whipping boy status here.
Did anyone really expect him to score on the penalty shot?
Ragamuffin Gunner
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Just think how great that trade would've been if the Pens had taken Trouba with that pick.
/canofworms
I know this is tongue-in-cheek but there is a lot of truth in it IMO.
Had Shero taken Truba or FF or even Olli, Sutter wouldn't get as much hate because the Pens would have gotten another NHL asset out of the deal. As of right now, is too easy to think of the deal as Sutter v Staal because they're the only ones in the NHL and DP looks so far away.
As for Sutter, I've been very underwhelmed. He gets a bunch of chances but can't score and is invisible for long, long stretched every game. I'm fine with him at ~2.5M but if he gets 3M+ I won't be very happy.
Ogrezilla
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his next contract will be interesting. I'm pretty much with you on what he's been worth so far.
Jesus Vitale
Formerly CPZ17
Sutter really is invisible a lot of the times, but i think at least this season you gotta factor in who he's playing with. has yet to have one consistent linemate, and the ones he's had outside of Bennett aren't that great. Last year he had Cooke and TK most of the time. i'd bet if he got Bennett/Jokinen/D'Ags for a decent stretch he'd be able to find some chemistry and do a little bit of something.
wgknestrick
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He's been as good as you could hope for this year considering his line mates. Most centers would be sunk in goals against in the same situation.
- Jun 13, 2010
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I am really at odds with Sutter at the moment. To me, his play has steadily gone downhill (at a slow rate mind you) ever since he got here. At $2mil, I can deal with it. But at the end of this year he is a RFA and to be quite honest he has done NOTHING to earn a dime over that.
I would be all over packing him together for an upgrade at wing.
Here are my scenarios:
Trade Despres for Palmieri
Trade Sutter or let him get offer sheeted
Resign Jokinen for 3-3.5x3
Kunitz-Crosby-Palmieri
Bennet-Malkin-Neal
Kobsew/Wing-Jokinen-Dupuis
Sill-Vitale-Adams
Package Orpik+Sutter for a Top 6 wing.
Keep Maatta or call up Despres
Resign Jokinen
Kunitz-Crosby-Wing
Bennett-Malkin-Neal
Wing-Jokinen-Dupuis
Sill-Vitale-Adams
In any case, we can slide Bennett into the Top 6 and slot Jokinen into 3C. Not only does this increase offense for the third line but it allows you to keep a very capable 2C fill in in case Crosby or Malkin go down. Sutter is not a fill in 2C...he's a "wince, this is gonna be bad".
I would be all over packing him together for an upgrade at wing.
Here are my scenarios:
Trade Despres for Palmieri
Trade Sutter or let him get offer sheeted
Resign Jokinen for 3-3.5x3
Kunitz-Crosby-Palmieri
Bennet-Malkin-Neal
Kobsew/Wing-Jokinen-Dupuis
Sill-Vitale-Adams
Package Orpik+Sutter for a Top 6 wing.
Keep Maatta or call up Despres
Resign Jokinen
Kunitz-Crosby-Wing
Bennett-Malkin-Neal
Wing-Jokinen-Dupuis
Sill-Vitale-Adams
In any case, we can slide Bennett into the Top 6 and slot Jokinen into 3C. Not only does this increase offense for the third line but it allows you to keep a very capable 2C fill in in case Crosby or Malkin go down. Sutter is not a fill in 2C...he's a "wince, this is gonna be bad".
ObsessedCreative*
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While there are a number of guys one hopes Shero would be willing to move Sutter or Orpik in good hockey trades, I am pretty confident guessing that Despres, Engo, and maybe Niskanen are the only names he's discussing with other GM's.
So you trade a top 6 winger in JJ for a top 6 wingerBRILLIANT.
Oh, come on.
:So you trade a top 6 winger in JJ for a top 6 winger
Yeah he really looked like a top 6 today . . . I know everyone is jerking off to him right now, but I'm not convinced he's as good as everyone is making him out to be.
ObsessedCreative*
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So you've never seen his play before he joined the pens?! Dude is easily a 25-30 goal guy on this team playing top 6. He is so underrated as a player here it isn't even funny.
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Jacob
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He is with a good center. I just don't see him as being more valuable than Sutter is to this team.
Pretty much my take on Sutter too. Plus he's still young so I think there's still some upside there and he'll likely stay affordable for the Pens for a good while.
Dupuis has been by far best top-6 winger this season. This place is really overrating Jokinen for some reason just like they did with Sutter when he came here. He has been placed on waivers two different teams last four years. Do people really think that is coincidence? Jokinen is slow and weak skill player I really don't want to see him on Malkin's line when Neal is back.
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ObsessedCreative*
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Mother of God...
God forbid someone disagrees with you.
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