Friedman: Brandon Saad Possible Trade?

[spintheblackcircle]

Jarmo kind of shot himself in the foot by getting a good complimentary winger and then trading his top center for a dman

Jackets won both trades..WORST case the Chicago trade is a push.

 

[Hello Johnny]

Well congrats then. Glad you're happy with the trades, but they havent exactly resulted in team success

Thanks?

We're better now than we were before either trade presently and in the future. I wasn't aware that trades had to make you a Cup Contender overnight in order to be viewed as a positive

 

[spintheblackcircle]

9th in the east isnt exactly wowing anyone less than a quarter of the season in

3rd best goal differential in the league having played the toughest schedule (by record) in the NHL and playing the fewest games.

 

[Hawksfan2828]

So the Hawks tried to get Saad back?

Am I reading that correct?

It would make sense.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Jarmo kind of shot himself in the foot by getting a good complimentary winger and then trading his top center for a dman

You see what Johansen is doing this year?

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

You see what Johansen is doing this year?

He did pretty well last year with Nashville. The entire predator team is struggling out of the gate. Not a great patch for him right now but he clicked pretty well right off the bat last year

 

[Crede777]

games in hand =/= wins and more points automatically

as of today, CBJ is not a playoff team

Boston had a bunch of games in hand on Detroit down the stretch last year and lost nearly every damn one of them

If there is any issue with the team, it isn't Jones or Saad who have been among the team's best players.

There are trades which make teams better and trades that make teams worse. Those two trades OBVIOUSLY made the team better.

You can't look at where Columbus is in the standings as a judgment of the effectiveness of a particular trade. No trade will catapult a team from not being in the playoffs to being in the playoffs. It is all about incrementally improving the team.

If you are arguing that a team won or lost a trade because of their position with regards to the playoffs, then you've already lost and should just admit defeat.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Great job backpedaling. Now he won't do his 30 points of the week because he is being 'taken out of context'. I like Friedman and his insider info, but please THINK before writing things down. This has got to be the 2nd time this year he backpedaled and blamed it on the fans for 'taking things out of context' when he clearly wrote it. Guy needs to take an English class if that's the case.

The people reading need to take an english class. He never said a trade was going down, or that he had any source suggesting that he was on the block. There is a difference between musing about possibilities and suggesting that a guy is being shopped, and often people can't seem to distinguish the two. Freidman did the earlier and people reacted as if he had done the latter.

 

[DarkandStormy]

He did pretty well last year with Nashville. The entire predator team is struggling out of the gate. Not a great patch for him right now but he clicked pretty well right off the bat last year

Wennberg has played better than Johansen since the trade, which made Joey expendable from a CBJ point of view.

 

[Crede777]

Wennberg has played better than Johansen since the trade, which made Joey expendable from a CBJ point of view.

Forget Wennberg, Jones has 1 less point than Joey in 5 fewer games.

I like Johansen, but come on...

As for Chicago, their hand was forced by cap constraints. They were going to lose Saad no matter what and managed to get a good 2nd line center from it. Still a clear win for the Jackets though as Saad's impact on this team exceeds Anisimov's impact as a Jacket.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

If there is any issue with the team, it isn't Jones or Saad who have been among the team's best players.

There are trades which make teams better and trades that make teams worse. Those two trades OBVIOUSLY made the team better.

You can't look at where Columbus is in the standings as a judgment of the effectiveness of a particular trade. No trade will catapult a team from not being in the playoffs to being in the playoffs. It is all about incrementally improving the team.

If you are arguing that a team won or lost a trade because of their position with regards to the playoffs, then you've already lost and should just admit defeat.

Jesus, why are the CBJ fans so sensitive over this. Most rush to point out a 1 to 1 comparison of players traded when every trade is much bigger than that and its affect on the team.

The classic example of this is how Flyers fans talk about how they clearly won the Voracek/Carter and Richards/Simmonds trade

Yes, comparing the players 1 for 1 in production, the Flyers won. However, since those trades, the chemistry of the flyers has gone downhill while the chemistry of the end team for both of those trade (LAK) resulted in two cups.

Now who knows what CBJ would have looked like had they held on to the Anisimovs/Danos/Johansens, might be better, might be worse. Its all speculative, its a different formula and different chemistry.

But, since they acquired Saad, they got Richards fired, had a terrible year, then traded Jones for Johansen, and still they dont look like a solid team IMO.

All the improvement this year is much attributed to Wennberg taking a step forward and Bob playing well again. Those two trades but a big hit on their center depth, which is crucial, in order to address the blue line (without getting a real #1D in return) and help on the wing

 

[AlphaBravo]

Not saying I would do this as a Kings fan because we cannot afford to lose a top 4 defenseman, but would a Alec Martinez for Saad trade be considered doable or fair for both sides?

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Jesus, why are the CBJ fans so sensitive over this. Most rush to point out a 1 to 1 comparison of players traded when every trade is much bigger than that and its affect on the team.

The classic example of this is how Flyers fans talk about how they clearly won the Voracek/Carter and Richards/Simmonds trade

Yes, comparing the players 1 for 1 in production, the Flyers won. However, since those trades, the chemistry of the flyers has gone downhill while the chemistry of the end team for both of those trade (LAK) resulted in two cups.

Now who knows what CBJ would have looked like had they held on to the Anisimovs/Danos/Johansens, might be better, might be worse. Its all speculative, its a different formula and different chemistry.

But, since they acquired Saad, they got Richards fired, had a terrible year, then traded Jones for Johansen, and still they dont look like a solid team IMO.

All the improvement this year is much attributed to Wennberg taking a step forward and Bob playing well again. Those two trades but a big hit on their center depth, which is crucial, in order to address the blue line (without getting a real #1D in return) and help on the wing

you honestly have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to the Columbus Blue Jackets. Just stop.

Not saying I would do this as a Kings fan because we cannot afford to lose a top 4 defenseman, but would a Alec Martinez for Saad trade be considered doable or fair for both sides?

Jackets have no need to add another defenseman at the moment. Jones-Werenski-Murray-Johnson-Savard is their top-5, with Prout/Nutivaara/Harrington filling out their bottom pairing.

 

[Hawkaholic]

As for Chicago, their hand was forced by cap constraints. They were going to lose Saad no matter what and managed to get a good 2nd line center from it. Still a clear win for the Jackets though as Saad's impact on this team exceeds Anisimov's impact as a Jacket.

A clear win for the Jackets, as in Chicago lost? Because I would disagree with that wholeheartedly.

 

[mikeyp24]

But, since they acquired Saad, they got Richards fired, had a terrible year, then traded Jones for Johansen, and still they dont look like a solid team IMO.

All the improvement this year is much attributed to Wennberg taking a step forward and Bob playing well again. Those two trades but a big hit on their center depth, which is crucial, in order to address the blue line (without getting a real #1D in return) and help on the wing

This is where your problem lies... you have 0 idea of the CBJ situation haha and that's OK you are not a fan you are a Hawks fan I hope you wouldn't expect me to know everything they are doing.

Richard's needed to be fired he was the opposite of what this team needed. He was not a strong leader and was letting guys train as hard as they want and not punishing lack of effort from the guys. Torts has been amazing for us. Jones for RyJo put our team on another level. We were without a true 1D for so long amd Jones and Murray last year were studs and now Werenski posing into that 2 spot and giving us depth with Murray as a 3 we have been night and day from the start of last year. After torts had a real off season you can see by us having the 8th best record in the league by ppg at a 100+ point season pace we are doing just fine.

The second paragraph is.off because wennberg yes is a huge reason for our success but gives us the depth we had with Johanson still because he is putting up better numbers and our guys on bottom 6 are doing great. And you thinking we didn't get a 1D for RyJo you haven't watched the Jackets. Jones has been the best player on our team before someone put a skate through his boot.

Again from an outsider view everyone hates torts and cbj are the cbj so they won't get a bennifett of the doubt but we have improved 2 fold what we were to start last year.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

A clear win for the Jackets, as in Chicago lost? Because I would disagree with that wholeheartedly.

Both teams can win in a trade. I would say this was the case for the Anisimo+Dano/Saad swap.

 

[stevo61]

Jesus, why are the CBJ fans so sensitive over this. Most rush to point out a 1 to 1 comparison of players traded when every trade is much bigger than that and its affect on the team.

The classic example of this is how Flyers fans talk about how they clearly won the Voracek/Carter and Richards/Simmonds trade

Yes, comparing the players 1 for 1 in production, the Flyers won. However, since those trades, the chemistry of the flyers has gone downhill while the chemistry of the end team for both of those trade (LAK) resulted in two cups.

Now who knows what CBJ would have looked like had they held on to the Anisimovs/Danos/Johansens, might be better, might be worse. Its all speculative, its a different formula and different chemistry.

But, since they acquired Saad, they got Richards fired, had a terrible year, then traded Jones for Johansen, and still they dont look like a solid team IMO.

All the improvement this year is much attributed to Wennberg taking a step forward and Bob playing well again. Those two trades but a big hit on their center depth, which is crucial, in order to address the blue line (without getting a real #1D in return) and help on the wing

Do you even know what you are writing? The D was a real problem and adding in Jones (who was amazing as a #1 until his injury) for 24+ min a night has been huge and slotted the rest of the D in their proper places. The team is off to its best start in history in what was supposed to be an extremely tough start to the season and most thought they would be thinking of the draft by American thanksgiving. The team gives up shots but I can promise you they are not of the same quality they have been in the past. The D has made Bobs job so much easier but when Bob needs to come up big he has, they are helping each other out.

Johnson-Savard
Murray-Goloubef
Tyutin-Prout

That was Columbus' D going into last year. You think some center depth would have hidden that? Even if you have skill up front the D had problems getting the puck to the forwards and Joey wasnt going out of his way to work extra to get the puck.

Werenski-Jones
Murray-Johnson
Nutivaara-Savard

Thats what we've seen at points this year with Johnson and Savard together at times aswell as Prout filling in with injuries and as you can imagine its night and day. With Torts pushing the D to skate and jump up and Brad Shaw coming in whos impact has been huge this is probably the best D group we have seen in the history of the team and the 2 guys leading the charge are 19 and 22 years old

 

[Crede777]

A clear win for the Jackets, as in Chicago lost? Because I would disagree with that wholeheartedly.

No, I don't think Chicago necessarily lost.

Also, Seth Jones absolutely is a #1D right now by any metric. I'd recommend revising your stance on that.

Look at what a 22 year old #1 RHD would go for. Here's a hint: They don't go for anything because a team would need to be crazy to trade one.

 

[GaryU]

Saad would be a perfect fit in Columbus...oh wait...

Coaches do not decide who gets traded. Especially maroons like Tortorella.

So, Saad was a very good & important part of the Hawks & now he can't play in CBJ....Go Torts.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Love Saad, but he is nothing more than a good complimentary player

CBJ made a big trade for him and gave him a big contract and to a degree I think Jarmo had the expectations that he would be a cornerstone star, but like most wingers, he wont carry the water for the team.

Jarmo kind of shot himself in the foot by getting a good complimentary winger and then trading his top center for a dman

Saad is definitely always saying nice things about people.

 

[who_me?]

No, I don't think Chicago necessarily lost.

Also, Seth Jones absolutely is a #1D right now by any metric. I'd recommend revising your stance on that.

Sure, on playoff bubble teams or lottery teams, he is.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Sure, on playoff bubble teams or lottery teams, he is.

This.

If anyone really thinks Seth Jones is a pure #1D across the league, get ready for that team to go nowhere

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

This.

If anyone really thinks Seth Jones is a pure #1D across the league, get ready for that team to go nowhere

I am sending out the league wire right now. All teams shall know

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

This.

If anyone really thinks Seth Jones is a pure #1D across the league, get ready for that team to go nowhere

Please stop.. I am a life long Hawk fan that lives in Columbus. Jones & Saad have both been awesome for the Jackets. We were watching really bad hockey since our playoff run. Torts has helped right the ship. It is all good from our perspective.

As soon as Seabrook and Keith both get a couple more years on them you will be begging for a then 26 year old Seth Jones. Go have a beef sandwich and a beer and stick to what yas know.

 

[Otto91]

If Saad is on The Block Islanders should take head out of the sand and see what Jackets might be looking for. Only thing is Saad has a big contract and as most teams against the Cap even money has to change hands for a Deal to happen.