Brandon "Meat & Butter" Sutter

[Sharpshooter]

I would rather have Matthias, or Richardson, or santorelli, or bonino.

(I reserve the right to change my mind mid season.)

 

[F A N]

Bonino had borderline elite offensive instincts held back by his speed, IMO. Used properly and properly sheltered, he could have been a fantastic piece for us.

Cody Hodgson was once Steven Stamkos without the skating.

 

[fancouver]

That is the issue. While I like Sutter more than Bonino, giving up Forsling to get Clendening, just to ship him off to get Sutter is simply moronic. Should have been a straight up trade. Sutter is better, bigger and younger, but Bonino is cheaper. Should have been a 1 for 1 trade.

Sutter has more value than Bonino overall. I'm not opposed to adding Clendening, but the extra pick should've been negotiated better. Regardless, it's a miniscule trade-off, but Sutter is the better player due to size, speed, and can actually shut-down players.

Though, the big benefit from this trade is that it'll allow Horvat to explode offensively especially if lined up with Vrbata all season. Sutter will take all hard match-ups.

 

[Intangibos]

Sutter has more value than Bonino overall. I'm not opposed to adding Clendening, but the extra pick should've been negotiated better. Regardless, it's a miniscule trade-off, but Sutter is the better player due to size, speed, and can actually shut-down players.

Though, the big benefit from this trade is that it'll allow Horvat to explode offensively especially if lined up with Vrbata all season. Sutter will take all hard match-ups.

Contracts are important in today's NHL. Crosby > Kopitar, but Kopitar at 5M > Crosby at 15M. Bonino at his contract > Sutter at his, especially after the new contract.

 

[Shareefruck]

Cody Hodgson was once Steven Stamkos without the skating.

Bonino's also a good defensive player, though. That's the biggest reason Hodgson is seen in such low regard.

I think Bonino's speed issue is comparable to Garrison's speed issue. It holds him back, and it can be an issue in the wrong situations, but it hardly entirely writes him off as a very solid player.

 

[Bieksa#3]

Forward version of sbisa

He is beyond terrible

 

[WTG]

Is there any question about Bonino vs Sutter now?

 

[pahlsson]

it's nice that raymond was able to get taller and switch handedness but he looks way slower

 

[geebaan]

Sutter has more value than Bonino overall. I'm not opposed to adding Clendening, but the extra pick should've been negotiated better. Regardless, it's a miniscule trade-off, but Sutter is the better player due to size, speed, and can actually shut-down players.

Though, the big benefit from this trade is that it'll allow Horvat to explode offensively especially if lined up with Vrbata all season. Sutter will take all hard match-ups.

quoted to look at later in the season.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Reading this thread I've read something more than once and would like to be shown where these factual evidence to back these statements up.
In what measurable way is Sutter better than Bonino? Seriously I'd like this explained to me.

Is he better at being 6'3? Idk, the 5'11 195lbs guy looked more physically capable out there on a night to night basis while still producing at a Top 6 scoring rate at even strength?
Is it the minuscule face off percentage upgrade? Does that offset the offensive impact towards his linemates in a negative manner? And it's not a minor offset.

 

[VanJack]

Benning's acquisitions....it's a reverse curse....I fear watching Sbisa and Sutter is going to be watching a dumpster fire all season....not to mention Vey, Miller and Clendening and Bonino....oops I forgot, the latter two guys were traded.

 

[Carl Carlson]

I'm expecting a 25-35 point season.

 

[greasy goals]

I'm expecting a 25-35 point season.

I think Hansen will outscore him unless he's gifted unlimited ice time.... oh god, that's what's going to happen, isn't it.

 

[Carl Carlson]

I think Hansen will outscore him unless he's gifted unlimited ice time.... oh god, that's what's going to happen, isn't it.

He'll get top unit PP time. Obviously this will happen based on his stellar creative offensive play.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Reading this thread I've read something more than once and would like to be shown where these factual evidence to back these statements up.
In what measurable way is Sutter better than Bonino? Seriously I'd like this explained to me.

Is he better at being 6'3? Idk, the 5'11 195lbs guy looked more physically capable out there on a night to night basis while still producing at a Top 6 scoring rate at even strength?
Is it the minuscule face off percentage upgrade? Does that offset the offensive impact towards his linemates in a negative manner? And it's not a minor offset.

I've been asking that since the trade went down. I have yet to receive a satisfactory explanation.

 

[Shareefruck]

I've been asking that since the trade went down. I have yet to receive a satisfactory explanation.

It's almost like people's frustration over Bonino's bad playoff/speed issues outweighs everything, and allows his replacement to win by default or something. I doubt Sutter would have been much of an upgrade against Calgary anyways.

 

[Josepho]

If Sutter keeps up this kind of play, I will not be a happy camper. I was okay with the aquisition at first, since I thought he'd be a good fit here. But he seems quite invisible so far.

 

[CherryToke]

hilarious that you guys are writing him off in the PRESEASON. unbelievable

 

[Shareefruck]

hilarious that you guys are writing him off in the PRESEASON. unbelievable

Criticism is not the same thing as dismissal.

Everyone's open to having their mind changed, but there's no reason to be anything but pessimistic so far.

 

[greasy goals]

hilarious that you guys are writing him off in the PRESEASON. unbelievable

Don't need a large sample size to notice the suck

 

[geebaan]

hilarious that you guys are writing him off in the PRESEASON. unbelievable

I guarantee if he was doing well, you'd be the first person saying I told you so.

 

[NoShowWilly]

I guarantee if he was doing well, you'd be the first person saying I told you so.

need to give it some time. If he scores early this year you are going to hear about it. It'll likely be a really nice goal too. Shorthanded or something.

People will blowup the airwaves and mainboards just as they did with Bonino at the beginning of last season.

"did the Canucks win the Sutter trade?" poll coming within the month.

 

[VanJack]

Criticism is not the same thing as dismissal.

Everyone's open to having their mind changed, but there's no reason to be anything but pessimistic so far.

Nobody is writing off Sutter....but if you read the Penguin Boards after the deal was done, they report that the guy wasn't all that physical, was pretty dismal in the face-off circle, and scored most of his goals off the rush and wasn't much a factor down low...so far, although the returns are early, this guy comes pretty much as advertised...yet 'Trader Jim' calls him a 'foundational piece'....oh and by the way he's earning $2.6m more a year than Bonino.

 

[vanuck]

hilarious that you guys are writing him off in the PRESEASON. unbelievable

I know right?! It's not like he has a previous body of work in the NHL which people can evaluate him with.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Literally completely invisible so far. I'm not sure how he's going to live up to that contract at this point. The next few games need to be a lot better.