Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk (LW) - Part XI

[Agent Zub]

Hard disagree here. This roster isn't deep by any means. There's holes in every aspect (Forwards, blueline, in net). CASH line sens, EK led sens, etc., their flaws were relatively minor comapared to today where we've had the worst goaltending in the league and only one NHL quality RD on the roster the whole year.

Spezza was playing with Greening and Butler. Michalek gave us one top 6 season.

Karlssons #1 center was Turris. We were paying Bobby Ryan 7 mill to do f*** all. Guys like Wiercioch, Gryba, Boro would often be in the top 4.

Those teams were weaker teams. Budget teams with mediocre top end and depth.

I agree about the experience though.

On one side we have kids who think just putting up individual points justifies their salaries. While those other teams we had the top players actually willing to do the work to win and could handle pressure.

 

[Agent Zub]

Spezza, Karlsson and Stone were playing largely with players in their primes. It’s not just about the names, a 21 year old Jake Sanderson, as good as he is, is probably not even close to what 26 year old Sanderson will be. And so at least half your list is somewhat based on potential. It’s skilled but it’s also very under developed.

The 2017 Sens roster for example, flawed as it was, had 10x the experience our current roster does and you could see it in how they played.

21-27 are arguably the prime years for players. All our important players are in that range.

 

[bicboi64]

Spezza was playing with Greening and Butler. Michalek gave us one top 6 season.

Karlssons #1 center was Turris. We were paying Bobby Ryan 7 mill to do f*** all. Guys like Wiercioch, Gryba, Boro would often be in the top 4.

Those teams were weaker teams. Budget teams with mediocre top end and depth.

I agree about the experience though.

On one side we have kids who think just putting up individual points justifies their salaries. While those other teams we had the top players actually willing to do the work to win and could handle pressure.

Gotta disagree there.

As bad as the winger depth was for Spezza, he still had Alfie, EK, Anderson, and a balance of youth and vets. Michalek was injured, but every season he played, he was a utility guy that could be used throughout the line up.

EK's lineups didn't have any forward star power (aside from Stone), but Anderson was out of this world, and we had competent D on every pairing. Our forwards also had a great balance of youth and vets.

RIght now we have players throughout the line up that are barely serviceable for us to be in a WC hunt (Kubalik, Kastelic, MacEwan, Parker, Katchouk, Chychrun, Brannchise, Chabot, JBD, Hamonic, Forsberg, and Kopisalo).

Each of those teams had more balance, discipline, and experience than our current one has.

 

[JungleBeat]

Gotta disagree there.

As bad as the winger depth was for Spezza, he still had Alfie, EK, Anderson, and a balance of youth and vets. Michalek was injured, but every season he played, he was a utility guy that could be used throughout the line up.

EK's lineups didn't have any forward star power (aside from Stone), but Anderson was out of this world, and we had competent D on every pairing. Our forwards also had a great balance of youth and vets.

RIght now we have players throughout the line up that are barely serviceable for us to be in a WC hunt (Kubalik, Kastelic, MacEwan, Parker, Katchouk, Chychrun, Brannchise, Chabot, JBD, Hamonic, Forsberg, and Kopisalo).

Each of those teams had more balance, discipline, and experience than our current one has.

Spezza played with absolute garbage after Heatley left to be fair. Michalek, Greening, Condra, Butler were all bottom tier players - I’d take Batherson over all of them frankly.

This current team is more skilled than Spezza/EK led team but what sets those teams apart was their work ethic compared to this squad. They weren’t mentality fragile and spoiled too.

Spezza was playing with Greening and Butler. Michalek gave us one top 6 season.

Karlssons #1 center was Turris. We were paying Bobby Ryan 7 mill to do f*** all. Guys like Wiercioch, Gryba, Boro would often be in the top 4.

Those teams were weaker teams. Budget teams with mediocre top end and depth.

I agree about the experience though.

On one side we have kids who think just putting up individual points justifies their salaries. While those other teams we had the top players actually willing to do the work to win and could handle pressure.

Gotta give credit to Spezza, he carried his line on his back for such a long time. What a special player he was.

I remember when the Sens traded for a washed Ales Hemsky giving Spezza finally one skilled player on his line and they flourished. Imagine having your 1C playing with Greening and Condra lmao.

 

[bicboi64]

Spezza played with absolute garbage after Heatley left to be fair. Michalek, Greening, Condra, Butler were all bottom tier players - I’d take Batherson over all of them frankly.

Bro Michalek was an absolute warrior for us. A puck hound like Connor Brown but could produce in the top 6. Not like a 1st line winger, but a 2nd line winger who wasn't afraid to do dirty work. I'm hoping we can get a player like Michalek for our current roster who knows how to hustle

 

[RAFI BOMB]

If they don't do something significant, the fans of this team will only ever be able to imagine him in the playoffs.

Well at least we have a different management group than we have had the past number of years. Poulin has always come across as very insightful so he should help steer things in the right direction. The Sens also finally fired their head of pro scouting and another long term pro scout so maybe we can finally get some proper evaluation of pro talent and bring in some quality pros.

 

[Micklebot]

Bro Michalek was an absolute warrior for us. A puck hound like Connor Brown but could produce in the top 6. Not like a 1st line winger, but a 2nd line winger who wasn't afraid to do dirty work. I'm hoping we can get a player like Michalek for our current roster who knows how to hustle

A healthy Michalek is almost exactly what we need tbh,

 

[DueDiligence]

Karlssons #1 center was Turris. We were paying Bobby Ryan 7 mill to do f*** all. Guys like Wiercioch, Gryba, Boro would often be in the top 4.

Karlsson had Spezza for 5 of his 9 seasons. After Spezza was traded Karlsson had Turris , Zibanejad for 2 seasons and Mark Stone for his 4 remaining seasons with the Sens That's not a bad group to play with. And he had the Senators best ever goal keeper in Anderson behind him.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Spezza was playing with Greening and Butler. Michalek gave us one top 6 season.

Karlssons #1 center was Turris. We were paying Bobby Ryan 7 mill to do f*** all. Guys like Wiercioch, Gryba, Boro would often be in the top 4.

Those teams were weaker teams. Budget teams with mediocre top end and depth.

I agree about the experience though.

On one side we have kids who think just putting up individual points justifies their salaries. While those other teams we had the top players actually willing to do the work to win and could handle pressure.

Bobby Ryan was phenomenal during the 2017 playoff run

 

[Agent Zub]

Karlsson had Spezza for 5 of his 9 seasons. After Spezza was traded Karlsson had Turris , Zibanejad for 2 seasons and Mark Stone for his 4 remaining seasons with the Sens That's not a bad group to play with. And he had the Senators best ever goal keeper in Anderson behind him.

Spezza put up like 1 elite season while we had Karlsson. Turris was a 50 point center, Zibanejad hadn't broken out yet and forced to carry Ryan, Stone was also still finding his offensive footing, and like Karlsson playing with linemates well below his level. his centers went Lazar, Pageau, Smith, Turris, Brassard.

I will say though while those teams didn't have near the talent of the current teams all those players 100 percent gave more of a crap about winning, playing D and team hockey, rather than cheating for offence and for individual totals.

Bobby Ryan was phenomenal during the 2017 playoff run

and what about the other 80-90 percent of his tenure? and sure he was our best forward but that just highlights how mediocre those teams were. teams that go far in the playoffs usually have 3-4 guys playing at that level or higher.

 

[bicboi64]

A healthy Michalek is almost exactly what we need tbh,

I randomly did a stat check, during his 35 goal season when Spezza was 4th in league scoring, he was 11th in goals scored. Too bad injuries really did a number on Milan

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Spezza put up like 1 elite season while we had Karlsson. Turris was a 50 point center, Zibanejad hadn't broken out yet and forced to carry Ryan, Stone was also still finding his offensive footing, and like Karlsson playing with linemates well below his level. his centers went Lazar, Pageau, Smith, Turris, Brassard.

I will say though while those teams didn't have near the talent of the current teams all those players 100 percent gave more of a crap about winning, playing D and team hockey, rather than cheating for offence and for individual totals.


and what about the other 80-90 percent of his tenure? and sure he was our best forward but that just highlights how mediocre those teams were. teams that go far in the playoffs usually have 3-4 guys playing at that level or higher.

Your posts are confusing. On several occasions you call this roster terrible then the next you say it's the deepest team assembled since the Avengers.

I think you're just going out of your way to diminish Brady as a captain while pumping a previous captain that isn't here anymore.

 

[Agent Zub]

Your posts are confusing. On several occasions you call this roster terrible then the next you say it's the deepest team assembled since the Avengers.

I think you're just going out of your way to diminish Brady as a captain while pumping a previous captain that isn't here anymore.

no they are one of the most talented teams we've had.

but they have loser mentality and culture.

previous sens teams not as talented, but winning mentality. that is the biggest difference. it's more than Brady, it's Chabot, Batherson, Stutzle, Chychrun. First three set the culture everyone else just coming into the situation, seeing how lax things are and gradually assimilating.

it's not me saying it, it's the actual performance and results that are saying it.

this team was supposed to make noise 3 years ago. and they do, but just when all the pressure is off.

what do you call that if not loser mentality and culture?

 

[JungleBeat]

Bro Michalek was an absolute warrior for us. A puck hound like Connor Brown but could produce in the top 6. Not like a 1st line winger, but a 2nd line winger who wasn't afraid to do dirty work. I'm hoping we can get a player like Michalek for our current roster who knows how to hustle

Michalek was crap aside from his 2012 season which was a product of Spezza. He scored 40+ points once in a Sens uniform…. I’d take Batherson over him any day of the week.

 

[JungleBeat]

Karlsson had Spezza for 5 of his 9 seasons. After Spezza was traded Karlsson had Turris , Zibanejad for 2 seasons and Mark Stone for his 4 remaining seasons with the Sens That's not a bad group to play with. And he had the Senators best ever goal keeper in Anderson behind him.

Karlsson had Spezza for 5 of his 9 seasons. After Spezza was traded Karlsson had Turris , Zibanejad for 2 seasons and Mark Stone for his 4 remaining seasons with the Sens That's not a bad group to play with. And he had the Senators best ever goal keeper in Anderson behind him.

So do you think that group of Sens players are better than this current group?

 

[bicboi64]

Michalek was crap aside from his 2012 season which was a product of Spezza. He scored 40+ points once in a Sens uniform…. I’d take Batherson over him any day of the week.

Michalek scored 224 points in 412 games, that's scoring at a 0.54 ppg (44pt pace) while being solid defensively, showing grit, and having a non-stop motor.

Batherson might be a better scorer than Michalek, but Michalek is better than him in every other aspect of the game. This team and our shitty leadership need a vet or two just like Michalek.

 

[TkachukMyAho]

Bobby Ryan was phenomenal during the 2017 playoff run

I loved that run and all the excitement it provided - and Bobby Ryan was a big part of that and played well....but that was also incredibily opportunistic. He seemed to be around everything but he was still doing Bobby Ryan things.

 

[Answer]

LOL this is comical from Brady!

 

[DueDiligence]

So do you think that group of Sens players are better than this current group?

previous sens teams not as talented, but winning mentality. that is the biggest difference. it's more than Brady, it's Chabot, Batherson, Stutzle, Chychrun. First three set the culture everyone else just coming into the situation, seeing how lax things are and gradually assimilating

In general those older teams had established talent and this year's team has up and coming talent.
In the 5 seasons from 2013-14 to 2017-18 the Sens missed the playoffs 3 times got knocked out in the 1st round in the 4th and had one surprising playoff run when they got extraordinary goaltending. They weren't that good but they did have some talent and far better goaltending than this year's team. Put a 2013-2016 version of Craig Anderson on this year's team and they make the playoffs. Give this year's team a "Hamburglar " like run and they could go to a conference final as well.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

no they are one of the most talented teams we've had.

but they have loser mentality and culture.

previous sens teams not as talented, but winning mentality. that is the biggest difference. it's more than Brady, it's Chabot, Batherson, Stutzle, Chychrun. First three set the culture everyone else just coming into the situation, seeing how lax things are and gradually assimilating.

it's not me saying it, it's the actual performance and results that are saying it.

this team was supposed to make noise 3 years ago. and they do, but just when all the pressure is off.

what do you call that if not loser mentality and culture?

Craig Anderson good years :winning mentality

Craig Anderson bad years : hmm what’s wrong with the sens? Not a full buy in

 

[Micklebot]

Craig Anderson good years :winning mentality

Craig Anderson bad years : hmm what’s wrong with the sens? Not a full buy in

That's just it, the same roster suddenly didn't have a winners mentality in 2012, then not so much in 13-14, back again in 14-15, forgot about it in 2015-16, but bought back in for 2016-17, then stopped for 2017-18.

 

[bicboi64]

LOL this is comical from Brady!

Honestly hated this. It was such an unnecessary tantrum. Forget that Hischier got a penalty, the dude was almost skating away from the net as he barely guided the puck into the net. Hischier wasn't even trying to troll us the way Greig did to the Laffs.

We're two dogshit teams that were caved by bad goaltending, let it go. It's not a hit on one of our star players or anything. Brady has record setting night for hits, but blows his top off in a way that would be more useful against a team like Florida, Boston, etc., where we're being utterly ragdolled.

Showing this type of emotion in a game that's so meaningless is frustrating. Pick and choose when to use that energy, that's what we need in a leader.

 

[Answer]

Honestly hated this. It was such an unnecessary tantrum. Forget that Hischier got a penalty, the dude was almost skating away from the net as he barely guided the puck into the net. Hischier wasn't even trying to troll us the way Greig did to the Laffs.

We're two dogshit teams that were caved by bad goaltending, let it go. It's not a hit on one of our star players or anything. Brady has record setting night for hits, but blows his top off in a way that would be more useful against a team like Florida, Boston, etc., where we're being utterly ragdolled.

Showing this type of emotion in a game that's so meaningless is frustrating. Pick and choose when to use that energy, that's what we need in a leader.

I think this Team has a lot of growing up to do, collectively and individually, and it has to to start with Brady.

I am already dreading thinking about what the next season have in store for us.

 

[Ralph Malfredsson]

yo just checking did we know about this

 

[Emerica]

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Its always been like that lol