Player Discussion Brady Tkachuk: Episode 6 - Return of the F.A.

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    Weekly Brady bunch

     
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    Yup.

    Shift disturbers don't make good captains.
     
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    Like what ? I see a charismatic kid willing to stand up for his teammates. He leads the league in shots+hits and will fight if needed too. Seems to have a good report with the officials and he’s strong in the locker room.
     
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    Not a lot of guys deemed shift disturbers that have the profile to be considered as captain material. We don't typically label guys like Gordie Howe, Perry, Pronger, or Roenick as shift disturbers but if not for their other skills that's probably how they would be thought of. Instead, shift disturber is usually attributed to guys like Burrows, Avery, Ott.
     
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    Brady's production is that of a shift disturber.
     
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    Yes, because 20 year old power forwards tend to put up huge numbers or never improve on their numbers at that age when they fill out.
     
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    He's a second year player.

    His production is better than Perry at the same age, Roenick was a 66pts player at 20 in his 2nd year, when adjusted for era and games played that's pretty similar to Tkachuk's production this year.

    Now look at what shift disturbers usually did at his age;
    Ott: 7 pts
    Cooke: 2 pts
    Burrows: Not in the league (12 pts at 24)
    Avery: Not in the league (4 pts at 21)

    Even extending it to high skilled shift disturbers:
    Kadri: 12 pts
    Kesler: 23 pts at 21
    Marchand: 1 pt at 21, 41 pts at 22

    He's well ahead of the curve for typical shift disturbers,
     
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    Now compare the roles they had breaking in.

    Brady has been gifted top line minutes based on Sens rosters for the last two years that have been stripped of talent by the financially motivated firesale.
     
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    Would rather wait and put the C on Lafreniere.
     
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    Chabot is the obvious choice.
     
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    So we're punishing Brady because he excelled at a young age? Typical shift disturbers peak at Brady's 19-20 year old production. He is not a typical shift disturber.

    Brady broke in on a team that still had Stone, Duchene, Dzingel and Pageau. We had trade Karlsson which gave us more depth up front and Hoffman at that point which resulted in Boedker taking up a soot till we confirmed he was junk.
     
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    It's an idiotic take. Brady would make a fantastic captain. Mature beyond his years. Chabot would be a good choice too.
     
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    Not punishing Brady, just providing context to the numbers you posted.

    Players that conduct themselves in his manner are not respected by officials and should not be the team's spokesperson on the ice.

    Chabot is far more talented and his calm presence would get the team more leeway with officials.
     
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    Thats a different argument though.

    All i am saying is calling him a shift disturber minimizes what he actually brings to the table.

    He is guaranteed getting a letter, so refs will be dealing with him regardless.

    To me, it's far more about whether his team will follow him then if refs like him or not. Do you think refs liked Pronger or Messier? Both were pretty dirty players on the ice and well respected for their leadership.

    It's not luke Brady is headhunting like Torres or licking people like Marchand.
     
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    Brady's personality might be more effective with the officials than Chabot. Brady's a charismatic guy and I can't recall him chirping or crying to the refs like Crosby used to. Yes, he's a pain to play against but I don't know if the officials mind that.
     
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    Many quipped that Alfie was a bad captain because he was too passive though.
     
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    He also has a swagger and edge we have not had in a long time (or ever?). There's no doubt in my mind we would have a Cup right now if we had Tkachuk in the 2000's.
     
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    Many people hold foolish opinions.

    Chabot is more talented. His work ethic is great. He's calm under pressure and he has committed to the team with a long term contract.

    I can't stand players like Brady, playing for the Sens doesn't change my disdain for his style. Refs don't respect players that are constantly stirring things up and whom they need to be constantly monitoring. It's why Kadri and Gallagher don't get the benefit of the doubt on calls. Talented players but the act wears thin with officials and eventually teammates.
     
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    Getting the benefit of the doubt in what sense? He was second in penalties drawn this year, with two less than Marchand.

    Tkachuk is everything you want in a leader in my opinion. Different style than Chabot, but players would go through a wall for this guy. He is 100% effort all the time.
     
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    Foligno is quite the shift disturber who was far from the refs favourite at times getting absolutely no benefit of the doubt particularly when he was around the crease, and he has been an excellent captain by all accounts in Columbus.
     
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    So how many cup winning captains have been shift disturbers since 67?

    Messier, I'll give you. Who else fits the mold?
     

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