Brad Ross for Jimmy Hayes trade. Why would anyone ever make this deal?

gmjohnny · Mar 13, 2014

Dumb trade. Big man, great skater, doesnt play all that tough but is comparable to an Alex Ponikoravsky. Brad Ross is a terrible skater, no edge as advertised as he plays afraid in the AHL, and has a bad attidude in terms of commitment to making the NHL with his training discipline. Apparently he wants to be a golfer. Why did we make this trade

Jimmy Hayes
Right Wing -- shoots R
Born Nov 21 1989 -- Boston, MA
[24 yrs. ago]
Height 6.06 -- Weight 221 [198 cm/100 kg]
Drafted by Toronto Maple Leafs
- round 2 #60 overall 2008 NHL Entry Draft

Regular Season Playoffs
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/- GP G A Pts PIM
2006-07 USNTDP Under-18 Team NAHL 14 6 8 14 4
2007-08 USNTDP Under-18 Team NAHL 19 2 8 10 6 6
2007-08 Lincoln Stars USHL 21 4 11 15 18 9 8 4 5 9 8
2008-09 Boston College H-East 36 8 5 13 22
2009-10 Boston College H-East 42 13 22 35 14
2010-11 Boston College H-East 39 21 12 33 24
2010-11 Rockford IceHogs AHL 7 0 0 0 2 0
2011-12 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 31 5 4 9 16 -3 2 0 0 0 15
2011-12 Rockford IceHogs AHL 33 7 16 23 11 -3 -- -- -- -- --
2012-13 Rockford IceHogs AHL 67 25 20 45 23 0 -- -- -- -- --
2012-13 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 10 1 3 4 0 0 -- -- -- -- --
2013-14 Chicago Blackhawks* NHL 2 0 0 0 0 1
2013-14 Rockford IceHogs* AHL 13 4 4 8 2 -5
2013-14 Florida Panthers NHL 36 7 2 9 8 -7
NHL Totals

BIitz · Mar 13, 2014

gmjohnny said:
Dumb trade. Big man, great skater, doesnt play all that tough but is comparable to an Alex Ponikoravsky. Brad Ross is a terrible skater, no edge as advertised as he plays afraid in the AHL, and has a bad attidude in terms of commitment to making the NHL with his training discipline. Apparently he wants to be a golfer. Why did we make this trade

The Leafs should give him plenty of opportunity to do that. :sarcasm:

Ross isn't the same player today as he was in the dub.

Leafidelity · Mar 13, 2014

Captain Hindsight has entered the building

Avec Fromage* · Mar 13, 2014

It never really made any sense. Hayes was seen as somewhat gritty at the time so trading a gritty winger to draft a younger, gritty winger was pointless. Burke did it to give the scouting team a pick in the first two rounds according to his post-draft interview.

Green Snow Storm · Mar 13, 2014

Hard to say what happened to Ross, but apparently Hayes wouldn't sign with us.

I was high on Ross, not so much anymore. Loved him in the WHL.

Also just wondering, but where did you hear Ross wanted to be a golfer? Hahah just curious.

Rare Jewel · Mar 13, 2014

alright then..

HockeyThoughts · Mar 13, 2014

Looked like a great player in the WHL that's for sure.

It's not like Jimmy Hayes has really done much of anything to make us regret the trade so..

Tie Domi Esquire · Mar 13, 2014

Why did we trade Simon Gamache or some other guy no one cares about

indigobuffalo · Mar 13, 2014

Better question is why didn't I put $10,000 down on the Blackhawks to win the Cup last year...

darrylsittler27 · Mar 13, 2014

Groan.... did you have to remind us? Biggs,Devanne all taken early because of Burkes desire for grit and a splash/ leaving his mark. I like to quietly forget about this trade and all the other 2nd rounders we threw away.

Ross could easily have been had in the 3rd ,Biggs in the 2nd and Devane as late as 4th or 5th round.We are really paying for this strategy now as we only have Dmen coming through the system now.

crazyaces** · Mar 13, 2014

I don't have an issue with trading away Hayes, had we used the pick to draft Toffolli like I hoped we would! Oh well...

Green Snow Storm · Mar 13, 2014

darrylsittler27 said:
Groan.... did you have to remind us? Biggs,Devanne all taken early because of Burkes desire for grit and a splash/ leaving his mark. I like to quietly forget about this trade and all the other 2nd rounders we threw away.

Ross could easily have been had in the 3rd ,Biggs in the 2nd and Devane as late as 4th or 5th round.We are really paying for this strategy now as we only have Dmen coming through the system now.

None of those statements are accurate really, but I agree Devane could of probably been taken a little later than we took him.

Banic · Mar 13, 2014

darrylsittler27 said:
Groan.... did you have to remind us? Biggs,Devanne all taken early because of Burkes desire for grit and a splash/ leaving his mark. I like to quietly forget about this trade and all the other 2nd rounders we threw away.

Ross could easily have been had in the 3rd ,Biggs in the 2nd and Devane as late as 4th or 5th round.We are really paying for this strategy now as we only have Dmen coming through the system now.

Rumor is Detroit (picking immediately after us) had their eye on Biggs.

TheCLAM · Mar 13, 2014

For starters the Chicago Blackhawks drafted his brother Kevin Hayes in the draft of the Ross selection.At the time there was speculation that Jimmy Hayes would not sign a pro contract with us (much like Bill Sweatt). The Leafs then traded Jimmy Hayes for a 2nd round pick that turned into Brad Ross. Chicago must of felt in a position of power to sign him after recently drafting his brother. Jimmy Hayes is a fringe 3/4th liner in this league. He's a played a couple games and had some decently potential but let's not act like he's JVR

Radomon · Mar 13, 2014

So where would Hayes fit on the Leafs at the moment? Probably nowhere. Can't play him with the Marlies either since he would be claimed off of waivers if we sent him down.

TheCLAM · Mar 13, 2014

Radomon said:
So where would Hayes fit on the Leafs at the moment? Probably nowhere. Can't play him with the Marlies either since he would be claimed off of waivers if we sent him down.

He's not significantly better the Ashton so no were. People love hindsight especially over marginal players

LeafsNation75 · Mar 13, 2014

Before we look at this trade from both sides why don't we wait and see how Brad Ross does for the Leafs.

HOCKEYGOON · Mar 13, 2014

Hayes isn't anything special.... nothing to lose sleep over.

Sometimes prospects don't work out.... welcome to HFBoards

zeke · Mar 13, 2014

Poop traded for crap.

Pi · Mar 13, 2014

Why would anyone make a thread about a trade that is so inconsequential?

Joey Hoser · Mar 13, 2014

Who the **** is Jimmy Hayes?

Why not? Brad Ross scored 40 in junior and was a son of a *****. Awesome player. Too bad it doesn't seem to be carrying over to pro.

Neither player is thread-worthy. Of all the trades to complain about...

Drew311 · Mar 13, 2014

We shouldn't have traded Rask for Raycroft either.

MastuhNinks · Mar 13, 2014

Yeah, I lie awake in bed for hours every night thinking of where this team would be if we still had Jimmy Hayes.

Stephen · Mar 13, 2014

iPunch said:
Captain Hindsight has entered the building

It's actually not captain hindsight at all. Burke came in and wanted to put a mini stamp on the team by clearing out random bodies he had no idea about. Paradis for Tlusty after a few months on the job, Brad Ross for Hayes, etc. He wasn't too familiar with the system but also needed to make a move during the 2010 draft when we had given up the Seguin pick.

rdawg1234 · Mar 13, 2014

Man Brad Ross crashed, he looked great post draft year, something like a darcy tucker lite in the WHL.

but since entering the AHL he's dissappeared.

Brad Ross for Jimmy Hayes trade. Why would anyone ever make this deal?

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