OT: Boxing/MMA Discussion

[Seidenbergy]

Ref stoppage, he didn't get knocked down and he immediately complained to the ref. That's a huge difference to me.
I mean, he probably would have got beat down had the not stopped it, but my point remains that it was a good showing and this loss will not hurt Conor at all.

That's all well and good, but you said he didn't get knocked out. He did. A TKO is a knockout regardless of whether you like to think of it as one or not.

 

[N o o d l e s]

If you buy one if those hats you're a ****.

And that was a see you next Tuesday if you care

 

[PB37]

Early stoppage. Connor's right. He was wobbly, but still in it. For as much money on the line, someone's got to go down.

Great fight and despite the ending, this was a win for McGregor. He lasted much longer than a lot of the fight pundits gave him and looked great doing it.

 

[PB37]

And that's why I love Chael Sonnen, calling out the corrupt judges on live tv. ****ing idiots.

 

[N o o d l e s]

Landed more punches in 10 rds than Pacquiao did in 12 rds vs Floyd. Underestimate the Irish at your own risk

 

[Pia8988]

Early stoppage. Connor's right. He was wobbly, but still in it. For as much money on the line, someone's got to go down.

Great fight and despite the ending, this was a win for McGregor. He lasted much longer than a lot of the fight pundits gave him and looked great doing it.

He couldn't even get his hands up at the end. The fight was over.

 

[JRull86]

That was a lot better than I thought it'd be honestly.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

An MMA rematch should have been part of the contract. I know it would never happen.... but still.

 

[Pia8988]

An MMA rematch should have been part of the contract. I know it would never happen.... but still.

Why though? It would be one of the entertaining matches ever. 30-45 seconds would be the absolute maximum it would last.

 

[smithformeragent]

That went as expected.

Maybe took a bit longer than many were anticipating, and it looked as if McGregor might have a shot, but Mayweather was in control. Hard to know how much of McGregor's solid start was Mayweather being over the hill. Clearly, McGregor was gassed by the end of round 9.

Now what, boxing?

 

[Pia8988]

what was the score? I had conor in 1 and 3, maybe another one at best.

89-81, 89-81, 87-83

 

[Fenway]

That went as expected.

Maybe took a bit longer than many were anticipating, and it looked as if McGregor might have a shot, but Mayweather was in control. Hard to know how much of McGregor's solid start was Mayweather being over the hill. Clearly, McGregor was gassed by the end of round 9.

Now what, boxing?

The Bob Arum's and Don King's destroyed boxing yet the interest of last night shows there is still a primal fascination with the sport.

As late as the 1990's everybody knew who the heavyweight and middleweight champions were. Today ask 100 people who the heavyweight champion is and maybe 5% will know and I have to admit I don't know.

The decline of boxing in the Olympics is part of the problem as people were disgusted by how fights were judged and last year in Rio NBC gave scant attention to boxing - but go back 50 years and it was the Olympics that made George Forman a fan favorite.

When I was young I watched along with my parents as a boxer was killed live on network TV and the amazing thing is the sport shrugged it off and it remained popular.



The sport we love the most was spawned because arena owners needed to fill dates between boxing matches. The old Boston Garden had awful obstructed views for hockey but not for boxing as that is the sport that built it. The same is true for the other O6 franchises. Boxing today is irrelevant, I can't even think of the last time there was a pure boxing card at TD Garden. The only city I can think of that has a boxing culture today is Montreal. Even New York City seldom hosts a fight card anymore. Las Vegas gets all the $$$$$$ fights because of the casinos.

But last night also reinforced one of the ugliest parts of boxing history. Conor McGregor was seen as another in a long line of 'great white hopes' which dates back to when Jack Johnson was champion over 100 years ago. Those of us who are older can remember the McNeeley family where both Tom and his son Peter played the foil.

It is a paradox that I can't answer.

 

[LSCII]

What would Mayweather's chances be in the octagon with McGregor?

Mayweather wouldn't make it out of the first round in an MMA fight. Against literally any decent MMA fighter, let alone McGregor.

 

[LSCII]

Huh? Does the "KO" in "TKO" mean something else?

Yes, it does. A KO means you were rendered unconscious at the hands of your opponent. A TKO means the ref stopped it but that you were still on your feet.

 

[LSCII]

An MMA rematch should have been part of the contract. I know it would never happen.... but still.

Floyd would never get in there because he knows exactly what would happen.

 

[Over the volcano]

That went as expected.

Maybe took a bit longer than many were anticipating, and it looked as if McGregor might have a shot, but Mayweather was in control. Hard to know how much of McGregor's solid start was Mayweather being over the hill. Clearly, McGregor was gassed by the end of round 9.

Now what, boxing?

Now we get Alvarez v Glolovkin - which looks like a great one.

 

[Seidenbergy]

Yes, it does. A KO means you were rendered unconscious at the hands of your opponent. A TKO means the ref stopped it but that you were still on your feet.

JFC. No crap. I'm trying to get him to admit that the "ko" in "tko" still stands for knockout. This really shouldn't be so painful.

 

[LSCII]

JFC. No crap. I'm trying to get him to admit that the "ko" in "tko" still stands for knockout. This really shouldn't be so painful.

Why? It's well known what it stands for, just like it's well known it's not a real knock out. If you stop a fight and the guy is saying why are you stopping it, he didn't get knocked down, he didn't get knocked out. He may have taken too many unanswered punches, but it wasn't a KO. That's a far different result.

 

[Fenway]

Yes, it does. A KO means you were rendered unconscious at the hands of your opponent. A TKO means the ref stopped it but that you were still on your feet.

More importantly a TKO means the referee has decided that a boxer can no longer compete. After what happened to Benny Paret in the 60's referees were given that power.

Nobody can question the referee's decision last night.

 

[Kate08]

I watched the fight with my boxing gloves on and shadow boxed the whole time

Vodka. You're an *******.

 

[Seidenbergy]

Why? It's well known what it stands for, just like it's well known it's not a real knock out. If you stop a fight and the guy is saying why are you stopping it, he didn't get knocked down, he didn't get knocked out. He may have taken too many unanswered punches, but it wasn't a KO. That's a far different result.

The entire sport of boxing disagrees.

There are two ways of earning a knock out. This was one of them. Whether you consider it a "real" knock out is irrelevant.

 

[LSCII]

The entire sport of boxing disagrees.

There are two ways of earning a knock out. This was one of them.

No, there's one way to earn a knock out, and that's by actually knocking out the other guy. There's one way to earn a technical knock out, and that's by having the ref step in, like last night. Those two things are vastly different, whether you want to admit it or not.

 

[Seidenbergy]

No, there's one way to earn a knock out, and that's by actually knocking out the other guy. There's one way to earn a technical knock out, and that's by having the ref step in, like last night. Those two things are vastly different, whether you want to admit it or not.

Mayweather's record yesterday: 49-0 with 26 KOs.
Mayweather's record today: 50-0 with 27 KOs.

Not debatable.

 

[LSCII]

Mayweather's record yesterday: 49-0 with 26 KOs.
Mayweather's record today: 50-0 with 27 KOs.

Not debatable.

So McGregor was flat on his back at fights end? You want to argue semantics, while everyone knows a stoppage is not actually a knock out, regardless of what they call it.

 

[Pia8988]

So McGregor was flat on his back at fights end? You want to argue semantics, while everyone knows a stoppage is not actually a knock out, regardless of what they call it.

Exactly. While a tko is a technical knock out and counts for the stats. No one talks about that when they say someone got knocked out.