Boston Pens no goal call

[DearDiary]

Looked like a good goal. Not that we deserved to win...

According to Chara
"It was a pretty even game, I think, the whole game"

 

[Knotty Moog]

I stilll don't understand why the league dosn't go to hfboards instead of toronto.

Maybe the nhl would get a few more right every once in a while

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Not to be "that guy" but the NHL has really been severely anti-Penguins lately. The Montreal game the other night was just a debacle.

In before "Penguins fan crying about referees"

Literally every fan of every team thinks the referees are out to get them.

 

[Swept In Seven]

If I was a Bruins fan I would agree with the call.

If I was a Pens fan I would be upset with the call.

 

[Will Hunting]

Looking into it more and more.. It was probably over the crossbar but pretty damn close. If the explanation was "inconclusive" it would at least make sense.. But to come there after a short look and flat out say "puck was tipped below the crossbar" is so laughable. It´s just a lie.

As for the non-goal stuff.. this is what happens when there´s not a "challenge" available in hockey. Some kind of plays should be reviewable. The Bruins were unbelievably lucky in this game, but it´s only one game at the end of the day. The Penguins won in Boston 3-2(OT) earlier in the season as well and the Bruins had 2 goals disallowed in that game too, so there´s that. I´m still angry but what can I do..

 

[RedBruin]

I don't care if he's 8'6" he was hunched over and his glove, and the stick that makes contact, was close enough to the crossbar height to make it inconclusive.

You speak the truth.
The No-goal call on the Pens earlier was pretty bad though.

 

[Will Hunting]

You speak the truth.
The No-goal call on the Pens earlier was pretty bad though.

I would take "inconclusive" and move on. It´s painful, but I can understand that. They said "below the crossbar" though, which really shows how incompetent this officiating is..

 

[Trap Jesus]

I can't believe people are arguing about the OT goal. The fact that people are trying to break it down by frames and still can't come up with anything conclusive shows that they made the right call.

The no-goal call was bad though.

Also funny how no one talks about how Bortuzzo injured Eriksson with a slash and no call was made. Things go both ways.

 

[NastyNick]

All i get from this is that the refs on the ice made the decision to take a goal away from Pitt in the 1st period, and add a goal to the Bruins in OT. Pretty heinous.. but from watching the last 20-30 Penguin games.. not surprising. High sticking calls are notoriously difficult to overturn because of the camera angles. Pretty much was going whatever direction the referees on the ice said it was going.

At least i didn't blow hundreds of dollars on tickets to this fiasco. I seem to be saying that an awful lot lately.. but its true. NHL isn't getting any more money from me until they do something about the officiating.

 

[FinnBruin]

Ya, the refs were definitely out to get the Penguins in this one.

That's why the high stick Miller was bleeding after was not called.
Or the slash that broke Marchand's stick.
Or the slash that injured Eriksson's wrist.

At least 8 minutes of blatantly obvious penalties not called on the Penguins right there, but boohoo the league hates them because of two calls that could have gone either way.

 

[foundhockey]

Terrible call made to disallow legitimate pens goal. Mcquaid forces pens forward into rask after he came to a full stop. Rask knock off balance and Pens score. Even NBC announcers disagreed w call. Makes a case for coaches review

That doesn't help your case, unfortunately.

Seriously though, reffing on national US TV lately (I can't speak for Canadian national coverage) has been uneven at best.

 

[Shwag33]

They should have just said the goal was inconclusive. That's what it was. Personally I think it was a hair above the cross bar, but in close non obvious situations I'd always prefer they call a good goal vs taking one away.

 

[DCantheDDad]

[MOD] Honestly, it happens. It's not a big deal and the call will go the other way a different time.

 

[Will Hunting]

Ya, the refs were definitely out to get the Penguins in this one.

That's why the high stick Miller was bleeding after was not called.
Or the slash that broke Marchand's stick.
Or the slash that injured Eriksson's wrist.

At least 8 minutes of blatantly obvious penalties not called on the Penguins right there, but boohoo the league hates them because of two calls that could have gone either way.

That was a right non-call on Despres. I will give you the other two, though. Officiating sucks all season long. But non-calls on minor penalties are hardly comparable to "goals/non-goals" calls.. As I´ve said, the Bruins had a goal waived off against the Pens earlier in the year as well, **** happens. The fact is that the Pens are getting the shorter end of these calls WAAAAY too often this year, so it´s becoming extremely frustrating (though it was similar for Boston until this game too).

 

[SPV]

Not to be "that guy" but the NHL has really been severely anti-Penguins lately. The Montreal game the other night was just a debacle.

In before "Penguins fan crying about referees"

I'm certainly not saying this isn't true; I don't watch your team play outside of when they play Boston; so it may well be. But as a fan of the team that has 20+ less power play opportunities than the 29th ranked team in the league; I can definitely sympathize!!

 

[mel]

Bad calls happen. The goal in overtime, I think, was inconclusive and since it was called a good goal there's really nothing you can do about it. The no goal call earlier because of "interference" stunk but that happens sometimes. The next time the Penguins will get a call in their favor. These things seem to even out during the season. Still stinks that they lost though because that Malkin line was jumping all over the ice. Really liked them.

 

[LaGu]

Are you serious with that bolded part? (1) he is not even doing that. (2) he doesn't intentionally or deliberate contact Rask; Rask's defender (McQuaid) does by pushing Sill into him. It's clear as day.

Sill doesn't initiate contact on purpose; McQUAID DID

If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.

I don't care for either of BOS or PIT but looking at that video I think it is quite simple to argue both sides of this. Ok, he was pushed into Rask by McQ so it should have been a goal; on the other hand, did he really try to avoid contact with Rask? That second part is two-folded, first of all, he was already well inside the crease which means that he has already put himself in an area in which he has to be very careful not to touch the keeper (accidently or not); secondly, you could also say that the hit/push from McQ was not that hard and that he used Rask either to regain his balance or just simply used the opportunity to push Rask, either way interference.

Very difficult not to call him for interference there, even after video review imho.

 

[BronzeSpruce]

Do I care about 2 pts (well 1 pt really) in January while my Teams in 1st place in the metro not really

Do I care about in the playoffs where that call can mean the difference between advancing and going home , you're damn right I do.

If Bergerons OT winner can be reviewed why not a goaltender interference call?

Maybe not all regular season but come playoffs all "close" scoring calls should be subject to review ie. Pucks that barely make it over the line, or not. High sticks on the puck, goatender interference.....

 

[Will Hunting]

Bad calls happen. The goal in overtime, I think, was inconclusive and since it was called a good goal there's really nothing you can do about it. The no goal call earlier because of "interference" stunk but that happens sometimes. The next time the Penguins will get a call in their favor. These things seem to even out during the season. Still stinks that they lost though because that Malkin line was jumping all over the ice. Really liked them.

Hopefully, but it definitely hasn´t been the case so far this season. As for that Malkin line.. yeah that was huge. Beau Bennett is awesome and the chemistry between Malkin and Beau is way more important than the regular season point for Pittsburgh. Sucks that Boston got these two points but they will probably make the playoffs anyway, especially with the way Leafs are collapsing now.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Both calls were bad. Sill was shoved into Rask, and that puck was clearly tipped above the crossbar.

That said...

- Close calls often end up incorrect. Video replay has conditioned fans to flip out about this stuff, but the 6-inch difference between Bergeron's goal being clearly above or clearly below the crossbar is irrelevant in the greater scheme of how the entire game was played. You weren't "robbed" of a win if it came down to a zoomed in, super-slow-mo Zapruder analysis.

- The stuff about league conspiracies is just... I don't even know. Bettman must have a spreadsheet somewhere to keep track of all his conspiracies and game-fixes.

 

[mel]

Hopefully, but it definitely hasn´t been the case so far this season. As for that Malkin line.. yeah that was huge. Beau Bennett is awesome and the chemistry between Malkin and Beau is way more important than the regular season point for Pittsburgh. Sucks that Boston got these two points but they will probably make the playoffs anyway, especially with the way Leafs are collapsing now.

I agree on how a lot of the calls haven't been going our way this season. Mario needs to invite Bettman out to a fancy dinner or maybe his check to Bettman bounced and now we are getting the calls against us? In all seriousness hopefully the calls will even out.

I'm really hoping Bennett can stay healthy. He's had the worse luck. I like that he's also been driving to the net. That lines cycle game was really awesome and while I know Chara just came back from injury they did well against the Bruins D and had them running around a bit. That line looked really promising and I'm excited to watch them.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Hopefully, but it definitely hasn´t been the case so far this season. As for that Malkin line.. yeah that was huge. Beau Bennett is awesome and the chemistry between Malkin and Beau is way more important than the regular season point for Pittsburgh. Sucks that Boston got these two points but they will probably make the playoffs anyway, especially with the way Leafs are collapsing now.

Didn't the Bruins get jobbed the last time these teams played in Boston ? I may be wrong ( It may have been the BlackHawks but I think there where two goals called back vs the Bruins that night?

 

[RedBruin]

Bettman must have a spreadsheet somewhere to keep track of all his conspiracies and game-fixes.

Come on now, we both know if there's somebody capable of pulling that off it's comish Gary.

 

[Will Hunting]

Didn't the Bruins get jobbed the last time these teams played in Boston ? I may be wrong ( It may have been the BlackHawks but I think there where two goals called back vs the Bruins that night?

They did, just in a slightly less dramatic fashion than the Pens tonight. The Bruins probably deserved this break in a view of a whole season. The Pens though.. well oh well. I will gladly take the evening out for Pittsburgh later in the season, especially if it´s in the playoffs. I have some serious doubts about it though.

This stat tells something about the Pens & Bruins as well: http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.ht...usPenaltyKillSeconds&viewName=penaltyKillTime

 

[mel]

Didn't the Bruins get jobbed the last time these teams played in Boston ? I may be wrong ( It may have been the BlackHawks but I think there where two goals called back vs the Bruins that night?

Good memory! Found this on nhl.com :

The Bruins had two goals waved off on the ice and by the situation room. The first one came at 10:00 of the first period with the Bruins behind 1-0. Defenseman Kevan Miller took a wrist shot from the left point that Patrice Bergeron tipped on Fleury and then batted the rebound out of the air with a backhand swipe. The goal was waved off on the ice after a "group huddle" by the officials, and the situation room upheld the ruling that Bergeron's contact with the puck was above the crossbar.

"On that first goal, the closest referee calls it a goal. And then it's no goal because the three furthest ones think it's a high stick, so I guess that's what's frustrating in my mind," Bruins coach Claude Julien said. "I don't know what the League looked at. When I looked at the replay myself it looked more inconclusive. Now, they may contradict me and say they had a better angle from where they were, but that's how it looked to me. I think that's a little frustrating, especially the number of goals that we've had turned back on us this year."

The Bruins increased their total of waved-off goals in the past five games to four at 10:43 of the third period, when officials ruled that Carl Soderberg directed the puck into the net with his glove. The situation room confirmed the ruling and the game remained tied 2-2.