Boston/Miller reached confidential agreement over NHLPA grieved termination after ELS deal terminated over past conviction

[Jets4Life]

Yes, in his "apology" Miller calls years of increasingly extreme bullying a prank between friends. The judge responded that Miller only feels sorry for himself and not his victim.

When he was in Iowa playing for Cedar Rapids of the USHL, his coach, Mark Carlson said Miller was part of the team’s community outreach program, which included feeding the homeless, working with the elderly and taking part in a program that was germane to Miller’s earlier incident.

“Mitchell was a good team member when he was here,” Carlson said. “We do a lot of community service as part of our player development program. Mitchell was very involved in all aspects of our community service. There were certainly guys that did as much, but he was right there with those guys. He did a lot of community service. The team did take part in an anti-bullying program and Mitchell was a part of that.”

source: Mitchell Miller addresses his past, future

 

[Jets4Life]

Absolutely the Bruins and the University of North Dakota blew it too, giving him a wad of cash and free tuition for nothing.

The UND cut ties with Miller before he completed any courses, or played in any games for the hockey team.

Miller is just another sociopath so good for him I guess as undeserved as it is, but these professional organizations really should know better.

If I did not know any better, this sounds fairly personal to you.

 

[Albatros]

The UND cut ties with Miller before he completed any courses, or played in any games for the hockey team.

He had the possibility to continue his studies at UND even after leaving the hockey team, if he didn't use that opportunity then that's up to him.

 

[Mike C]

That is not realistic. This happened in 2016. The Bruins had nothing to do with his past. BTW, I know all about bullying. I was bullied pretty bad from elementary school until I was turning 16, when I started hitting the gym and lifting weights.

If one can't forgive in life, they won't get through life. That is what I believe. I forgave my tormentors, and would not have cut it in life, if I held a grudge for eternity.

The mother of the victim, in particular, doesn't exactly come across as a very "saintly" person here. I've read about the facts of the case thoroughly. Her son was bullied by Miller from elementary school until the 8th grade, where she found out and went to Police. He was charged, convicted, apologised in court, did 25 hours of community service.

Since there is no evidence that Miller has continued his antisocial behaviour, since he was 14, it should have ended there. So why is the mother going to the press and bringing up his past transgressions 4 1/2 years later, when he has already served his debt to society, and gets drafted?. Why does she continue to be vindictive about this after 7 1/2 years?

Every situation and person is different. I agree that forgiveness is freedom. The Bruins are out of the equation. If Miller wants to do good, clear his name and start restoration of one of the few things of value we have in life, his name and reputation, monetary donations to anti bullying and the family would be decent

Obviously the mother is still hurt and scarred by what happened and I'm sure the kid is too. Took me decades to get over my bullying. It occurred ever since I can remember until the guy dropped dead when I was a month away from turning 18. Good thing too because on my 18th birthday I was planning to kill the guy who was my oppressor. They guy they made me call dad.

God works in magical ways, I got sober in 1996, don't hate my father anymore and at age 64, I'm raising a 15 year old son. We call him Capades Jr out of his affection for his favorite NYI, Ice Capades Barzal. He started karate at 8 when he saw some schoolyard bullying directed at a classmate---, he is a junior black belt and when he gets his adult belt (can't test until he's 16), he will be on the official Okinawan registry where the discipline the studies eminates from

I'm truly glad you found peace and forgiveness. Hopefully all will experience it involved with Miller. I still think some voluntary financial and even speaking out against bullying would go far to help him atone as well as rebuild his character

 

[LadyStanley]

Miller signs deal in Europe. Slovakia.

 

[Stumbledore]

Miller signs deal in Europe. Slovakia.

Good riddance.

They understand bullying in Slovakia.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I don't see why you would reasonably object to him being called a sociopath already considering what he was found guilty of in court.

The main objection would be that it’s irresponsible to label any child a “sociopath”. They are at an age where sociopathy cannot be clinically distinguished from developmental immaturity.

 

[12ozPapa]

Playing professional hockey is a privilege. He was a douchebag and it bit him in the ass. Sucks to be him but hey, move on. There is zero need for anyone to “give him a chance” etc. Professional sports teams have no obligation to anyone. If this is how we view jr, every guy that worked his ass off and tried and tried but never got a contract should get one then, right? No! Because you have to earn and prove you belong - skill and otherwise. If a team wants to forget about his previous issues, go for it! But no one “needs” to give anyone a second chance.

 

[Albatros]

The main objection would be that it’s irresponsible to label any child a “sociopath”. They are at an age where sociopathy cannot be clinically distinguished from developmental immaturity.

By 21 he should have figured that one out if it was the case.

 

[Fatass]

That is not realistic. This happened in 2016. The Bruins had nothing to do with his past. BTW, I know all about bullying. I was bullied pretty bad from elementary school until I was turning 16, when I started hitting the gym and lifting weights.

If one can't forgive in life, they won't get through life. That is what I believe. I forgave my tormentors, and would not have cut it in life, if I held a grudge for eternity.

The mother of the victim, in particular, doesn't exactly come across as a very "saintly" person here. I've read about the facts of the case thoroughly. Her son was bullied by Miller from elementary school until the 8th grade, where she found out and went to Police. He was charged, convicted, apologised in court, did 25 hours of community service.

Since there is no evidence that Miller has continued his antisocial behaviour, since he was 14, it should have ended there. So why is the mother going to the press and bringing up his past transgressions 4 1/2 years later, when he has already served his debt to society, and gets drafted?. Why does she continue to be vindictive about this after 7 1/2 years?

You’re big and strong now but are you mentally deficient? That is a handicap that we can’t lift weights to overcome. And this kid Miller was bullying (over several years and showed no remorse for doing so) was mentally deficient. Who in the heck at ages 14-16 bullies a mentally deficient person? That’s sick.
Bruins should never have signed Miller. Coyotes should not have drafted him.

 

[Jets4Life]

You’re big and strong now but are you mentally deficient? That is a handicap that we can’t lift weights to overcome.

I was diagnosed with high functioning Autism (Aspergers) years ago. Hence the bullying I was to endure through childhood. Lifting weights obviously will not overcome persecution, due to something that God had given me. If one either hits the weights, and comes off looking muscular and also sends a subtle message that it's better not to mess with that individual.

A sad comment of humanity is fear usually wins out on most things. Arnold Schwarzenegger and George St. Pierre both have mentioned this, as they started to hit the gym after being bullied for some time. Obviously weights do not solve these issues, but being physically muscular, and imposing reduces the risk of being bullied. I learned this first hand when working out.

And this kid Miller was bullying (over several years and showed no remorse for doing so) was mentally deficient. Who in the heck at ages 14-16 bullies a mentally deficient person? That’s sick.
Bruins should never have signed Miller. Coyotes should not have drafted him.

Now you are blurring the facts.We both know Miller was 14 (Grade 8) when he was charged and convicted. The fact that you are deliberately spreading misinformation, stating Miller bullied that victim from ages 14-16, proves that you have no idea what you are talking about.

PS...it's a hell of a thing to say "mentally deficient," in regards to Miller's victim. Do you consider a person in a wheelchair "physically deficient?"

 

[Jets4Life]

By 21 he should have figured that one out if it was the case.

Elaborate please...

 

[Stumbledore]

And this kid Miller was bullying (over several years and showed no remorse for doing so) was mentally deficient. Who in the heck at ages 14-16 bullies a mentally deficient person? That’s sick.
Bruins should never have signed Miller. Coyotes should not have drafted him.

Now you are blurring the facts.We both know Miller was 14 (Grade 8) when he was charged and convicted. The fact that you are deliberately spreading misinformation, stating Miller bullied that victim from ages 14-16, proves that you have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't see a blurring facts.

FatAss said that no one between the ages of 14-16 should bully a mentally deficient person. Miller was 14, which puts him within the specified range.

YOU stated that Miller bullied the victim from ages 14-16, which is false, which means YOU are the one spreading misinformation. As to what that proves, I'll leave to YOU to figure out.

 

[Fatass]

I was diagnosed with high functioning Autism (Aspergers) years ago. Hence the bullying I was to endure through childhood. Lifting weights obviously will not overcome persecution, due to something that God had given me. If one either hits the weights, and comes off looking muscular and also sends a subtle message that it's better not to mess with that individual.

A sad comment of humanity is fear usually wins out on most things. Arnold Schwarzenegger and George St. Pierre both have mentioned this, as they started to hit the gym after being bullied for some time. Obviously weights do not solve these issues, but being physically muscular, and imposing reduces the risk of being bullied. I learned this first hand when working out.



Now you are blurring the facts.We both know Miller was 14 (Grade 8) when he was charged and convicted. The fact that you are deliberately spreading misinformation, stating Miller bullied that victim from ages 14-16, proves that you have no idea what you are talking about.

PS...it's a hell of a thing to say "mentally deficient," in regards to Miller's victim. Do you consider a person in a wheelchair "physically deficient?"

I think you need to read this thread more thoughtfully.

 

[Jumptheshark]

He was 14 when it happened, and he has had no criminal issues since. Give the young man a chance to play.

You need to look into it more. It was not a one off thing and went on beyond when he was 14.

What he did went on for years.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I'm all for 2nd and sometimes 3rd chances but the dude has shown ZERO remorse since he was 14.

Man who doesn't know and has never met Mitchell Miller knows that Mitchell Miller has shown no remorse at all over the last 7 years.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Man who doesn't know and has never met Mitchell Miller knows that Mitchell Miller has shown no remorse at all over the last 7 years.

He only showed remorse when he realuzed his lack of remorse was going cause him problems.

The judges in the cases stated he did the bare minimum in his attempt court ordered treatment, education and rehabilitation.

There is a reason so many people have a problem with him.

Also. He never apologised in person but via the media after his then agent told him to do it.

Everytime this topic comes up we get into a NASTY argument.

I am a proud left winger. I believe in rehabilitation over retribution. But this guy has done everything he could to avoid rehabilitation on this subject. His fell foul of the court when even after the original court case... he was directly involved in abuse at t the victims new school.

Everytime we talk about this guy people act like it was a one of thing. It lasted for years and even after he was found guilty he found ways to harass the guy.

But some posters refuse to see beyond the smoke screen to the true problem with this guy.

Even people who use the word WOKE or bleeding hearts... have a problem with this guy and lack of actual remorse he showed

 

[Jets4Life]

You need to look into it more. It was not a one off thing and went on beyond when he was 14.

What he did went on for years.

It stopped at the beginning of 2016, when Miller had just turned 14. Sounds like it is you that needs to look into it more.

 

[Jets4Life]

He only showed remorse when he realuzed his lack of remorse was going cause him problems.

The judges in the cases stated he did the bare minimum in his attempt court ordered treatment, education and rehabilitation.

There is a reason so many people have a problem with him.

Also. He never apologised in person but via the media after his then agent told him to do it.

Everytime this topic comes up we get into a NASTY argument.

There is an abundance of examples of grown men playing in the NHL, who have done worse than Miller, and received a slap on the wrist.

I am a proud left winger. I believe in rehabilitation over retribution. But this guy has done everything he could to avoid rehabilitation on this subject. His fell foul of the court when even after the original court case... he was directly involved in abuse at t the victims new school.

Miller apologized in court to the victim, and performed the necessary community service imposed on him, so he did his punishment. In the 7.5 years since the incident, Miller has been in no legal trouble, and there have been no further incidents.

Everytime we talk about this guy people act like it was a one of thing. It lasted for years and even after he was found guilty he found ways to harass the guy.

There is no proof that Miller harassed or intimidated the victim, after he was punished.

 

[Jumptheshark]

There is an abundance of examples of grown men playing in the NHL, who have done worse than Miller, and received a slap on the wrist.



Miller apologized in court to the victim, and performed the necessary community service imposed on him, so he did his punishment. In the 7.5 years since the incident, Miller has been in no legal trouble, and there have been no further incidents.



There is no proof that Miller gas harassed or intimidated the victim, after he was punished.

I suggest you look on line for the answer to some of you things you say never happened . The last time there was problems linked between the two was when he was 16.

It stopped at the beginning of 2016, when Miller had just turned 14. Sounds like it is you that needs to look into it more.

You need to stop making things up.

Whenever thus topic comes up there are those who believe a one off thing and those who have looked beyond what his ex lawyer agent sayd

 

[Albatros]

Miller apologized in court to the victim, and performed the necessary community service imposed on him, so he did his punishment. In the 7.5 years since the incident, Miller has been in no legal trouble, and there have been no further incidents.

...which frees him of further legal responsibility, but by no means of moral responsibility.

 

[Jets4Life]

I suggest you look on line for the answer to some of you things you say never happened . The last time there was problems linked between the two was when he was 16.

In life, when one claims incidents happened, the burden of proof lies on you to present to us. You claim that the harassment and intimidation continued to occur after Miller was charged for his crime in 2016. Please show us proof, and stop moving the goalposts.

Whenever thus topic comes up there are those who believe a one off thing and those who have looked beyond what his ex lawyer agent sayd

Nobody claimed it was a "one off" thing. I believe he bullied the victim throughout Grade school that was proven in court.

You are stating that Miller continued to bully the victim long after he was found guilty, and did his time for the offence. There is no credible evidence to suggest he has done anything wrong since early 2016.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Miller did the bare minimum and as I posted. Even the judges involved were not convinced in how sincere Miller was. The bullying went on for years and the apology he gave personally, outside of what the court told him to do only happened AFTER he sent letters to NHL teams sating he had changed and several looked into whether or not Miller apologized anywhere but in the court room. That is when the phone call was made not by Miller but his agent

The bullying went on for years, even after Miller had been expelled and the Victem changed schools.

Miller did not do any of the suggestions the judges in the cases gave him to help him fully understand what he was wrong.

And thst is why so many people have a problem what did Miller do to show he understood what he did was wring.

 

[Jets4Life]

The bullying went on for years, even after Miller had been expelled and the Victem changed schools.

Proof?

Having said that, here is an interesting article from the Toronto Star from 2022 about the incident:

"In October, he says, he opened Snapchat and Instagram messages from Miller, who said he was “doing stuff” in the community, helping youth and wanted to be his friend.

“He told me he was sorry and (that the apology) didn’t involve hockey.” But Meyers-Crothers says he didn’t believe Miller, and asked for proof, which he says he didn’t get.
“I just wanted to tell everyone — when Mitchell says we’re friends it isn’t true.”

source: ‘It hurts my heart.’ Ex-classmate bullied by NHL prospect Mitchell Miller gives new detail on spitting, racial slurs

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So Mitchell reached out to the victim, apologising to him personally. The victim refuses to accept the apology, and instead, runs to the media about what a horrible person Mitchell is. Considering the timing of when the Meyers-Crothers family contacts the media (both immediately after Mitchell is drafted, and again once he signed with the Bruins), if one did not know any better, some would get the impression that the family is being vindictive, considering they only began to contact the media nearly 5 years after the incidents ceased to occur.

 

[Jumptheshark]

With this thread we have the same problems

1. What evidence do we have that Miller has changed? The court ordered apology? The phone call made ar the behest iof his then agent because the teams who received letters from Miller contacted the actual victim in the case asking when did Miller give him a personal apology beyond that court ordered?
2. Did Miller seek out any of councilling and other things suggested by the court to help Miller understand what he was wrong?

Point number 2 is why many teams wanted nothing to fo with him. Teams looked into the council ing and programs Miller claimed to do and I believe 2 teams did an investigation into if Miller did everything he claimed he did and they were unhappy with what they found out.

Bruin fans can correct me but I thought with the fallout from this signing they felt mislead and should looked further into what Miller claimed to have done

Several NHL teams tossed the bruins organization under the zambini in how they handled the situation.

The question asked is what dud Miller do to prove he was rehabilitated? And that seems to part of the problem