Pre-Game Talk: boscar g3

[3CanesInTheBox]

What happened to our game day threads???

 

[Navin R Slavin]

What happened to our game day threads???

What do you mean? They're still there...

 

[Lempo]

But with a paddylock.

 

[GoldiFox]

No team is winning a Playoff game with their starter giving up 6 goals. Doesn't matter if they were the 6 prettiest goals of the year.

If Rod goes back to Mrazek and he has another poor game then I'll have a hard time not placing the series loss squarely on Rod's shoulders. The sole argument for starting Mrazek that I can see is "Management doesn't want to spend money re-signing Mrazek if McElhinney is the one winning". That is not a good argument if the goal is to win this series.

 

[MinJaBen]

What happened to our game day threads???

It has been turned into the main board's GDT.

 

[Lempo]

It has been turned into the main board's GDT.

Dey force us go out and mingle.

 

[MinJaBen]

I wonder what would happen if we made another thread where we talked about...stuff....but it wasn't a GDT?

 

[AD Skinner]

To me the only reason to have kept mrazek in to get shelled in game 2 would be to make sure mcE is ready for game 3. I'll be confused if mrazek starts tonight. I thought starting him game 1 was the right call and probably would have started him game 2 also. But it's time to make a change and that's one that I would think everyone on the bench is comfortable with

 

[My Special Purpose]

The regular season average includes 15 teams that didn't make the playoffs. That's not where you set the bar for a playoff performance. In May, we aren't holding our goalies against the standard of Chad Johnson and Aaron Dell.

Here are the starting goalies from this year's playoffs:

Tuukka Rask .937
Robin Lehner .936
Ben Bishop .933
Sergei Bobrovsky .925
Philipp Grubauer .925
Frederik Andersen .922
Mike Smith .917
Connor Hellebuyck .913
Jordan Binnington .909
Marc-Andre Fleury .909
Matt Murray .906
Martin Jones .905
Pekke Rinne .905
Petr Mrazek .894
Andrei Vasilevskiy .856

Every one of those goalies also played against good teams. Most of their numbers are stained by a losing effort resulting in elimination. Aside from the guy who was on the receiving end of a nightmarish first-round sweep, Mrazek's numbers are easily the worst.

That's not acceptable. I don't know how it can possibly be spun as acceptable. It's some Cam Ward type logic to get from a .894 to "oh he's overperforming expectations, let's blame the PK". Our goalie has to be better than that to win consistently, and he was better than that right up until he was given 8 straight starts after not having more than 3 straight all season long.

Your argument totally fails in two key areas. Mrazek's save percentage until he got hurt in G2 of the second round -- starting nine straight games -- was .914. At the same point, starting 13 straight games, Jordan Binnington was at .915, and Martin Jones was at .908. Mrazek was performing very well as a playoff-caliber starting goalie -- with most of his action coming against the Washington Capitals offense -- until he got hurt. Period.

Mrazek's save percentage only took a dive to its current level after giving up 4 and 6 in Boston when he may not have been 100 percent healthy, and was -- at the very least -- rusty after an 11-day layoff.

I'd use McElhinney in G3 tonight, but it's not because Mrazek has been bad, or because he's played too much, or because of our goalie rotation all year, but because I think he gives us the best chance to win *tonight*. I'm not sure what you were trying to prove with your rant, but you didn't.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Your argument totally fails in two key areas. Mrazek's save percentage until he got hurt in G2 of the second round -- starting nine straight games -- was .914. At the same point, starting 13 straight games, Jordan Binnington was at .915, and Martin Jones was at .908. Mrazek was performing very well as a playoff-caliber starting goalie -- with most of his action coming against the Washington Capitals offense -- until he got hurt. Period.

Mrazek's save percentage only took a dive to its current level after giving up 4 and 6 in Boston when he may not have been 100 percent healthy, and was -- at the very least -- rusty after an 11-day layoff.

I'd use McElhinney in G3 tonight, but it's not because Mrazek has been bad, or because he's played too much, or because of our goalie rotation all year, but because I think he gives us the best chance to win *tonight*. I'm not sure what you were trying to prove with your rant, but you didn't.

Perhaps the reason you’re having a hard time finding my point, is because you’re outright ignoring the parts where I repeatedly said “this was inadvisable but not totally foolish up until we hit Game 2, where the decision to keep feeding Petr starts crossed the foolishness line”.

If you don’t think it was a bad call to give him the crease in that game, even after watching him get picked apart for the shaky fundamentals that have been creeping back into his game for a month, I don’t even know what to say. I guess all I can do at is point at the game film. It’s not just the team around him, he’s playing poorly and compounding our problems.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Perhaps the reason you’re having a hard time finding my point, is because you’re outright ignoring the parts where I repeatedly said “this was inadvisable but not totally foolish up until we hit Game 2, where the decision to keep feeding Petr starts crossed the foolishness line”.

If you don’t think it was a bad call to give him the crease in that game, even after watching him get picked apart for the shaky fundamentals that have been creeping back into his game for a month, I don’t even know what to say. I guess all I can do at is point at the game film. It’s not just the team around him, he’s playing poorly and compounding our problems.

That's not acceptable. I don't know how it can possibly be spun as acceptable. It's some Cam Ward type logic to get from a .894 to "oh he's overperforming expectations, let's blame the PK". Our goalie has to be better than that to win consistently, and he was better than that right up until he was given 8 straight starts after not having more than 3 straight all season long.

You waited until the guy had a horrible game and ragged on his save percentage in a tiny sample size. And you blamed it on usage. What am I missing?

 

[tarheelhockey]

You waited until the guy had a horrible game and ragged on his save percentage in a tiny sample size. And you blamed it on usage. What am I missing?

I didn’t “wait” for anything. I didn’t like the choice when I heard it, but seeing as I spent 5 hours driving on Sunday and listened to the game on 3 different radio stations, I didn’t feel like driving myself into a guardrail so I could **** about goalie usage on HFBoards.

The rest is pretty simple: we have not been using our goalies in the way that made them successful all season. Mrazek hasn’t played this much in 3 years, and we’re seeing injury and inconsistency creep back in. It wasn’t bad bad until Sunday, but then it definitely was bad.