Proposal: Bos-Edm

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  1. Jokerz89

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    Sorry if this comes off as ludicrous but I was wondering if maybe something along the lines of Krug, Backes, Lauzon, Senyshyn, and a 1st for Nugent-Hopkins and Klefbom. I threw in Backes to try to make the money work and add some veteran presence/ physicality to the Oilers. Maybe swap Lauzon for Zboril and Bjork and a 2nd instead of Senyshyn and a 1st. Please try not to be too harsh, thanks.
     
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    Doesn’t make a ton of sense. Bruins give up value, but the Oilers strength is LHD and getting Zboril and Krug only amplifies that.

    Backes has a rough contract and the Oilers can’t afford him at all.

    And they give up 1 of thier 3 good forwards.

    Polite no from Edmonton
     
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    RNH And Nurse

    for

    Krug, McQuaid, Heinen and JFK

    Pretty fair deal since Krug is the best player in the deal.
     
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    Oilers not the right team for Backes. He has value to a non cap team because it was so front loaded, but EDM needs cap space.

    RNH is gonna be highly valued by EDM fans because he looked good with McJesus. Klefbom hard to value. Mostly mediocre but one great year playing a lot with McJesus, but doing well on his own, too. Also Klefbom’s in zone D coverage isn’t great.

    I really think he EDM BOS ship sailed once Bouchard dropped to 10. Krug + one of the young forwards for Klefbom + 10 could have worked. Unless of course Nurse becomes a problem to sign to the bridge EDM can afford. Could see Boston getting very aggressive if that plays out.
     
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    That’s not enough going to the Oilers. They are so so so short of wingers and cap space. Bruins have a lot of cheap NHL ready and sophomore wingers. So there could be something, just not this.
     
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    Polite no thanks. We have no need for Backes, we are trying to move away from the big strong heavy types. Krug for Klefbom is something I'd look at but after hearing some Oilers fans opinions I think it's best if we keep him and that steal of a contract to see if he can bounce back to a borderline 1d like he was in the playoffs when healthy. Lauzon, Senyshen, a 1st are decent pieces but we would be aiming for younger roster players if Nuge is traded (Debrusk, Heinen, Donato). I thith we should just keep Nuge and let him play with Mcdavid a full season and should wait at least until the deadline to see if Klef can bounce back. There might be a deal to be made between our teams, but I don't think this one does enough for us.
     
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    Holy **** buddy (laugh) that is not good.

    Guys, Edmonton is in absolutely no position to be dealing productive NHLers like RNH and young defencemen like Nurse for futures and cap dumps like Backes.

    Lucic and Backes is just way too much ‘gritty’ uselessness for one team.

    Krug is a good defenceman but the +on Klefbom is not RNH and taking a bunch of B futures back . Our prospect pool is quietly becoming pretty good, we don’t need to crucify the likes of Nuge and Klefbom to slightly improve it.

    You want to make your team better - I get it. We do too, and not ‘maybe possibly three years from now’ either.

    I’ve followed Lauzon for years. I honestly do not believe there is an NHL defenceman there. I feel similarly about Senyshyn in the sense I think he tops out as a 3rd liner.
     
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    Nice way to slip Backes to another team--I think most oiler fans stopped reading there
     
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    Can you imagine having to suffer through Lucic and Backes on the same team if not the same line? They’d be so slow collectively they’d form a time loop.

    Dormammu, I’ve come to bargain.
     
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    Lots of moving parts and I think the OP would hope we would not notice Backes is the trade
     
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    Zero interest from this Oil fan. For better or worse, our lineup is pretty much set for this year, short of re-signing Nurse and nabbing a 14th forward. Some aren't optimistic based on where we finished last year, but a lot of things went wrong - particularly on D, in goal and coaching. All of these question marks have been remedied to some degree (Klefbom + Sekera healthy, Larsson's off-ice grief; 2 goalies playing for their next contract/more rest for Talbot; new assistant coaching staff).

    At this point, the Oil stand pat and look for an upgrade mid-season if they are in a playoff position. That upgrade likely comes in the form of a rental.
     
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    Lucic , rnh and klefbom for Krug and McQuaid and debrusk
     
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    I have no argument with you not wanting to do this deal, but I think Lauzon looked great in training camp last season. He played good d, was physical, and he made plays in the offensive zone and to get the puck out of the D zone. He got hurt and that pushed a couple of players above him. As far as what I saw, I think he could be a good middle pairing guy. Senyshyn is being asked to put effort into his defensive game right now the same way DeBrusk was asked to do that the year before last. Maybe he’s a3rd liner but with that speed and shot I think he could be a good 2nd liner. So no arguments just a differing opinion.
     
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    krug for klefbom and debrusk for Hopkins might be 2 exchanges the oilers can live with... but im not sure its good for boston.

    I seriously doubt Edmonton wants to take 3 assets that may never contribute and certainly wouldn't for the next couple yeears.

    believe it or not oilers are on the clock... they need to win quick or risk ruining the good will they have with the fans. the ownership is trying to convince the city to allow him to manage a multi billion dollar tax supported land deal.

    this is much bigger than just a hockey team...
     
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    balance the cap hit by eating 1/2 of lucics remaining salary and I don't think your proposal is crazy at all

    bruin fans would freak over the idea of trading a kid that showed some promise, but this is exactly the type of trade a contending team like boston could go for
     
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    oilers cap hell makes backes a no go... and he almost certainly has them on his no trade list

    but saying we would have a hard time trading backes probably just indicates you don't know his contract status. this year his ntc makes it very unlikely

    next year will be when he goes and it will be to a team that doesn't worry about the cap ceiling
     
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    the problem is his cap

    33pts for a cap hit if 6 mill

    his physical pay will be 4 mill for the final two years of his contract--but the cap hit is six and only a team like Arizona likes to take on cap hits

    teams trying to win not so much

    his wheels have fallen off
     
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    Your not getting DeBrusk, 16 goals in his rookie season and still has 2 years left on his entry level Contract.
     
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    I don't think these are good trading partners regardless of the drama with PC.

    Anything involving DeBrusk from Boston's pov is off the table. One of the few who showed up in the playoffs and had a solid rookie season. Not to mention he seems to be a good fit for Krej which is something that's been missing since Looch/Iggy/Horton left the team. JD with McJesus would be scary.

    As for the original proposal, I'm not sold on Kelf but haven't watched much of his game. I think Krug overall will be the better player in the end. I think Nuge only works if we ship Krej somewhere. I think Nurse has a bigger ceiling but would require DeBrusk in return so that bring us back to square one. Until we see what we have in Seny, Zbroil and Bjork I don't want to use them in a trade when we could use all of them in the next year or two to fill holes on the roster instead of making a big trade(s).
     
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    Bruins can pay his July 1st bonus and make it 2.5 on average per year, and you overstate how done he is... he played at a 45 point pace while providing physicality, just missed time with the intestinal infection. However, OBVIOUSLY not worth the cap hit. A non cap team would love him at 2.5 AAV. Oilers are not that team.
     
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    after his 3 mill bonus on july 1 the new team owes him 4 million dollars for 2 years

    that averages to 2 mill a season...

    a good 3rd liner will be signed for 3 million dollars in todays world. backes is an elite defensive player and an elite leader... who also pitches in a 40 point season if he stays healthy

    any team that isn't up against the cap will be happy to get someone like him if they don't already have one. ryan reeves who is not remotely the same player just signed. tom Wilson will sign. most teams value having a big physical presence on the 3rd line and very few play as well as backes.

    the ONLY drawback is the cap but its ONLY a drawback to teams that are up against the ceiling
     
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    you are either not caring or refuse to accept that 99% of the teams in win now mode wont be able to take a 6 mill cap hit

    also

    SEASONCLAUSECAP HIT [​IMG]AAV [​IMG]P. BONUSES [​IMG]S. BONUSES [​IMG]BASE SALARY [​IMG]TOTAL SALARY [​IMG]MINORS SALARY [​IMG]
    2016-17NMC$6,000,000$6,000,000$0$3,000,000$5,000,000$8,000,000$8,000,000
    2017-18NMC$6,000,000$6,000,000$0$3,000,000$5,000,000$8,000,000$8,000,000
    2018-19NMC$6,000,000$6,000,000$0$3,000,000$3,000,000$6,000,000$6,000,000
    2019-20Modified NTC$6,000,000$6,000,000$0$3,000,000$1,000,000$4,000,000$4,000,000
    2020-21Modified NTC$6,000,000$6,000,000$0$1,000,000$3,000,000$4,000,000$4,000,000


    base sal in 19/20 is 1 mill
    20/21 it is 3 mill with 1 mill signing bonus--that makes 5 mill to pay not 3

    the cap hit is the problem
     
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    most these teams are paying guys now to occupy roles. only 1 team will win the cup... the other teams will feel they need changes

    some guys that are overpaid now will see their contracts expire. some will be moved in trades

    most teams clear a lot of space as they retool

    my bruins for example... are letting rick nash go... riley nash… tim schaller… nick holden… anton khubodin…

    things adjust from year to year. many teams are adding multi million dollar players this off season

    its really not that hard. its just a question does the guy address the teams plans to improve or not

    don't worry... we arnet concerned about being able to move backes. but honestly a lot of us would prefer to keep him if our cap allows for it

    this year... it does. we have the cap room to keep him. the trade rumors ended with the Tavares decision. some fans don't understand but we signed him because we want him for our playoff run and that's where he will be now
     
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    Im still salty over the Bruins sending Hamilton to Calgary for an inferior package. Not trading with them
    Especially not for the offer in OP lol Quality >>> Quantity
     

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