Borussia Dortmund Vs Manchester United

[Elliman]

Good day all. Don't want to hijack the transfer thread anymore so I'll leave this here with a cheeky poll.

Will update as I do more research.

Honors

Borussia Dortmund
8 German top flight championships
4 DFB-Pokal/German Cups
5 DFB-Supercup/DFL-Supercups
1 DFB-Ligapokal/German League cup
1 European Cup
1 Uefa Cup Winners Cup
1 Intercontinental Cup
Highest transfer fee: Andre Schurrle £25,500,000
Highest Transfer Fee Received: Henrikh Mkhitaryan -£35,700,000

Manchester United
20 English top flight championships (Record)
12 FA Cups
5 League Cups
21 Charity/Community Shield
3 European Cups
1 Cup Winners Cup
1 Europa League
1 Super Cup
1 Intercontinetal Cup
1 Fifa Club World Cup
4 Ballon d'Or winners (Law, Charlton, Best, Ronaldo)
2 Uefa footballer of the year (Beckham, Ronaldo)
1 Fifa World Player Of The Year (Ronaldo)
Highest Transfer Fee Paid: Paul Pogba - £89,300,000
Highest Transfer Fee Received: Ronaldo -£80,000,000

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[Deficient Mode]

One is clearly better lately

The other is more clearly bigger

Why ask both questions in the same poll or even ask them at all?

 

[Elliman]

One is clearly better lately

The other is more clearly bigger

Why ask both questions in the same poll or even ask them at all?

It's a debate taking place in the transfer thread & I don't want to hijack it as its for transfers.

 

[Deficient Mode]

It's a debate taking place in the transfer thread & I don't want to hijack it as its for transfers.

It's the offseason. That thread is constantly being hijacked.

 

[MJG]

Only reason I visit the transfer thread is for the hijacks tbh

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I don't think we need the thread. The poll also combines two issues into one.

 

[cgf]

BVB is better. United is bigger. Which poll option do I vote for?

 

[Elliman]

BVB is better. United is bigger. Which poll option do I vote for?

Even I suppose?

 

[Cassano]

I think Utd will be better when they get Lukaku and BvB inevitably sell Aubameyang.

Give it a few weeks time.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

I abstain from this vote. United is bigger, BVB is better.

 

[Deficient Mode]

I think Utd will be better when they get Lukaku and BvB inevitably sell Aubameyang.

Give it a few weeks time.

They've bought far better players than Lukaku in recent windows and it hasn't mattered.

 

[Vipers31]

There was no debate over who is the bigger club, so including that in the question is indeed "cheeky". Neither club is "bigger & better" right now.

 

[Cassano]

They've bought far better players than Lukaku in recent windows and it hasn't mattered.

True, but need to take it in context.

Lindelof is a massive improvement over Blind/Jones, whoever they've been throwing out there the past season. They're adding the top EPL scorer over the past 5 years and he's still fairly young.

On the other hand, Reus is done for the year, Aubameyang is the Bundesliga's top scorer and he's probably on the move, BvB fired a great coach, etc.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I abstain from this vote. United is bigger, BVB is better.

Yep, pretty straight forward.

 

[jniklast]

BVB is better. United is bigger. Which poll option do I vote for?

This. I mean why even ask about bigger? A simple look at their respective revenue tells the story, there is absolutely no question about it.

 

[Havre]

Don't think it is a given that Dortmund will be better 2017-2018. I would actually be pretty disappointed from Utd's perspective if Utd isn't better come end of season.

Bigger? I would be interested to hear what Dortmund is bigger at except for the stadium. Not a single thing? Average height of the people working in their marketing department?

Not trying to be disrespectful towards a great club like Dortmund, but Utd is in a totally different league in terms of trophies, reputation, popularity, financial muscles etc.

 

[cgf]

Don't think it is a given that Dortmund will be better 2017-2018. I would actually be pretty disappointed from Utd's perspective if Utd isn't better come end of season.

Bigger? I would be interested to hear what Dortmund is bigger at except for the stadium. Not a single thing? Average height of the people working in their marketing department?

Not trying to be disrespectful towards a great club like Dortmund, but Utd is in a totally different league in terms of trophies, reputation, popularity, financial muscles etc.

Prepare to be disappointed I guess

 

[King 88]

Quite dumb to even ask which is bigger... Borussia better few years but doubt it will last.

 

[cgf]

Quite dumb to even ask which is bigger... Borussia better few years but doubt it will last.

It's been 5 years and looks unlikely to change next season; BVB have a stronger team, more young talent, a better coach, and better scouts. Watzke could easily f*** it up; but United have a lot of work to do to catch up to BVB on the pitch.

 

[Theon]

It's been 5 years since what?

United won a title more recently than Dortmund plus the Europa league which Dortmund choked away despite having a 3-1 away advantage.

More young talent doesn't always equate to success, and I don't understand how a trainer who's only won the second tier of the Dutch league is somehow better than Mourinho.

I do agree that Dortmund has a stronger squad at the moment. But the difference isn't as astronomical as you're making it seem.

 

[East Coast Bias]

You may like Bosz's style better than Mourinho, but come on with him being the superior manager.

No one was enthusiastic about that hire after Tuchel left.

 

[Evilo]

If you had said Ajax' coach was better than United's a month ago, most here would have laughed.
But since he's signed with BVB, clearly, he's much better now

Tbh, I don't know enough about him to make a firm opinion. The tie against Lyon certainly didn't lead me to believe he was special in any way shape or form, but that's a small sample size.
That said, Mourinho isn't special either, contrary to what he believes.

 

[cgf]

If you had said Ajax' coach was better than United's a month ago, most here would have laughed.
But since he's signed with BVB, clearly, he's much better now

Tbh, I don't know enough about him to make a firm opinion. The tie against Lyon certainly didn't lead me to believe he was special in any way shape or form, but that's a small sample size.
That said, Mourinho isn't special either, contrary to what he believes.

Many also laughed when I said Favre was a great coach, or that Tuchel would be a great coach, or Nagelsmann.

I just don't rate Mourinho and Bosz has shown me enough to think he could become a highend coach. Not that I think he's great already, just that he's shown me enough to think he'll be better than Mourinho.

 

[Evilo]

My opinion on Mourinho is well know here.
But what has Bosz shown? His tactical scheme against Lyon (in both legs) was awful. And since Lyon has an absolutely awful coach, they managed to get through. At no point was it because of the tactics, nor thanks to his subs which were for the most part nonsense.
He didn't even win his league either.

At this point saying he's better than Mourinho is quite something. I'll stand by my neutral point of view on this because I rate Mourinho as a second rate coach as of now, but Bosz certainly doesn't strike me as better either.

 

[cgf]

It's been 5 years since what?

United won a title more recently than Dortmund plus the Europa league which Dortmund choked away despite having a 3-1 away advantage.

More young talent doesn't always equate to success, and I don't understand how a trainer who's only won the second tier of the Dutch league is somehow better than Mourinho.

I do agree that Dortmund has a stronger squad at the moment. But the difference isn't as astronomical as you're making it seem.

It's been 5 years since SAF left and BVB has been the superior team on the pitch.

United's EL win is a little tough to compare since they needed it to get into the CL; BVB had secured themselves CL football with or without the EL. So it's a little disingenuous to point to that as a sign of United's superiority.

I don't think much of Mourinho as a tactician...though I love him as a personality; such a good heel.

More young talent means BVB will be able to maintain their advantage on the pitch even through the next round of sales...and there is a clear advantage for BVB in all areas of the pitch but CB; where Lindelof is easily the best player at that position on either team; and GK; because DDG.