Would probably rather just give the prospects a shot at the beginning like you've been suggesting. Chances are they will struggle throughout parts of the season. I just hope they get a real shot like Kruger was given. Maybe Jamal Mayers can convince Handzus to take his role as the healthy scratch vet on a cheap contract.
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Would probably rather just give the prospects a shot at the beginning like you've been suggesting. Chances are they will struggle throughout parts of the season. I just hope they get a real shot like Kruger was given. Maybe Jamal Mayers can convince Handzus to take his role as the healthy scratch vet on a cheap contract.
That's a better solution than trading another fourth round pick in the future for the same player.
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Winning the Cup may give him second thoughts for a split second, but no, Q sealed that deal long ago. VS had NO chance to succeed here.... and he'll be missed. He added a dimension to the 3rd line that simply can't be replaced - convince yourself otherwise if you wish.
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Wut? How did I get dragged back into this. I'd take Stalberg back, he knows the system and is comfortable with the players. Just no more than 1m and for the love of god don't put him in the top six.
That's contingent on why exactly he was benched the first time, though, I don't think we ever got the true story there.
He can certainly command more on the open market, however, so I believe any Stalberg discussion at this point would be academic. He's just not someone Q trusts or apparently wants, and I don't think Stan would try to force him.
That's contingent on why exactly he was benched the first time, though, I don't think we ever got the true story there.
He can certainly command more on the open market, however, so I believe any Stalberg discussion at this point would be academic. He's just not someone Q trusts or apparently wants, and I don't think Stan would try to force him.
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Yeah, I don't think Handzus will be back. He was a solid pickup and he played far better than anyone could have anticipated, but it's time to give other guys a chance and if Q always has Handzus in his back pocket, (like Disgruntled said) Pirri/LeBlanc won't get enough time to show what they can do in the 2nd line centre spot - should they struggle at first, or in general. There's going to be growing pains with any young player in that spot, regardless of who win it out of camp.
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I agree with this.
Bowman has to stop giving Q aging vets so he has no choice but to play the younger guys.
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25 blows. Everyone gets excited when he comes down the wing. The guy will make the biggest non-hockey plays on our team. He isn't safe with the puck at all. That lines scoring stopped when Bicks was removed from it, nothing else.
Whatever teams gets 25 for the money they pay him, they are hosed. He doesn't get it in, doesn't get it out. Sure he will blow around someone but his battle is low, his hands are stone and he is not top end at all at seeing plays. He is a race-horse with blinkers on. He can see straight and straight he goes.
You don't want him back either. Convince yourself otherwise if you wish. He gone!
HockeySauce
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Stalberg was crap. He won't be missed. You say he brings an added dimension to the third line, but he's the anti-third line player. It wasn't a coincidence that the third line never got any hard matchups. Stalberg's below-average defensively, and when he's not scoring, he's not really doing anything for his team. Everyone wants to talk about all the chances his speed creates, but A) The chances are overstated and B) He couldn't cash 95% of the time anyway.
No one's saying his speed is replaceable, but everything else about his spot can be improved on. Specifically, if Morin replaces him, the Hawks get a better goal-scorer, with much better hockey sense, who'll actually go to the net and get his nose dirty, and play physical at times.
Yeah, the Hawks downgrade in speed, but improve in other facets of the game. The improvements vastly outweigh the lost speed. Chicago will still be one of the fastest teams in the league. Convince yourself otherwise if you wish.
Blackhawkswincup
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Well Said
Hawks were lucky to be so deep this year. If team didn't have so much talent in bottom 6 the fact Stalberg was a complete no show could have hurt real bad
CS85
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Morin > Stalberg any day. Stalberg's flashes were too few and his bum-slaying too often to devote an extension to. Morin's got his share of problems but he's paid his dues and has more dimensions to his game.
Stalberg hate is utterly ridiculous. You can't replace that speed and he was a huge reason that line was as good as it was all year long. He is extremely strong on the forecheck and his backchecking has certainly improved under Q.
Yes he still makes the odd mistake, boneheaded turnover, whatever. But he was a very valuable depth player on the Hawks the past two seasons and he will be missed by this team.
Stalberg is probably a better player than Bickell.
Yes he still makes the odd mistake, boneheaded turnover, whatever. But he was a very valuable depth player on the Hawks the past two seasons and he will be missed by this team.
Stalberg is probably a better player than Bickell.
HockeySauce
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How is Stalberg better than Bickell? I'm not even one to take his post-season into heavy account, but seriously, how?
What's truly ridiculous is how much emphasis people put on his speed. It's a broken record. Everyone knows he's fast. You need more than speed to be a successful NHL. Stalberg hasn't been able to put it together, and he's 27. He'll go somewhere else, score some goals, but he'll never be an impact player or a guy that's consistently in any teams top-6. He's a fringe top-6 forward, that's not good defensively, and is inconsistent offensively.
Stalberg's going to get a good paycheck. Good for him. The Hawks success will springboard him into a solid contract. Good luck wherever you go Vik.
What's truly ridiculous is how much emphasis people put on his speed. It's a broken record. Everyone knows he's fast. You need more than speed to be a successful NHL. Stalberg hasn't been able to put it together, and he's 27. He'll go somewhere else, score some goals, but he'll never be an impact player or a guy that's consistently in any teams top-6. He's a fringe top-6 forward, that's not good defensively, and is inconsistent offensively.
Stalberg's going to get a good paycheck. Good for him. The Hawks success will springboard him into a solid contract. Good luck wherever you go Vik.
Then how can you explain why that line was better in the playoffs when Stalberg was sitting on the bench?
Blackhawkswincup
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Call up Dale and ask for Jack back!
But speed alone does not make a player good or decent
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I think people are buying too much into the Bolland for cap space narrative. If the Hawks goal was simply to open up cap space I would have expected to hear about them shopping Frolik or Brookbank as well.
I think it is much more likely that Stan is just looking to maximize the value of an asset with the added cap space being a consideration, just not the only one. The return for Bolland should be a whole heck of a lot more than what the Hawks could get for Frolik or Brookbank.
If the Hawks can trade Bolland for a 1st+ or Frolik for a 4th it makes sense to move Bolland (or both) if he isn't in the long term plan anymore (with him being a UFA and all).
I think it is much more likely that Stan is just looking to maximize the value of an asset with the added cap space being a consideration, just not the only one. The return for Bolland should be a whole heck of a lot more than what the Hawks could get for Frolik or Brookbank.
If the Hawks can trade Bolland for a 1st+ or Frolik for a 4th it makes sense to move Bolland (or both) if he isn't in the long term plan anymore (with him being a UFA and all).
Simply ridiculous!
Viktor Stalberg - 32 career playoff games, 1 career playoff goal
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/stalbvi01.html
Bryan Bickell - 38 career playoff games, 13 career playoff goals
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/b/bickebr01.html
Once the playoffs arrive, Viktor Stalberg simply disappears.
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This recent Stalberg hate confuses me. Most of us loved what he brought during the regular season, even BWC couldn't hate him. Q didn't trust him in the playoffs but can anyone honestly say the team wasn't better when he played over Carcillo/Bollig?
Watch him generate A TON of interest as a FA and sign a fat deal with someone.
Watch him generate A TON of interest as a FA and sign a fat deal with someone.
Sarava
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I don't hate Stalberg. But I won't lose sleep over him leaving, like I probably will over Bickell. Regular season performers don't do us much good over here. It's about winning cups. Guys like Stalberg and Brouwer serve really nice roles - but they're roles that are better served elsewhere.
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stalberg/brouwer comparisons now? christ I've heard everything. brouwer was a q favorite who got extremely favorable minutes and was given every chance to succeed. stalberg has been on q's **** list since day one and has been jerked around so much i wouldn't blame him for taking LESS money to leave.
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They both bounced around, in and out of Q's doghouse. But to be clear for the reading impaired - I was only comparing them in the sense that both of them come up short in the playoffs time and time again. They are completely different players.
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I won't lose much sleep over losing him either, he's priced himself out of the Hawks payroll and we all know he's gone. For a guy making 875k he had a great regular season and was better than any alternative in the playoffs.
Hating or diminishing his contributions is borderline revisionist history and at least a case of "what have you done for me lately". What, because he only had 1 goal in the playoffs? Cut the guy some slack, I for one will miss him.
This is a Bolland thread, right?
DisgruntledHawkFan
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Stalberg is the new Kruger. Every thread devolves into a discussion about whether or not he sucks.
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