BOLD Predictions 2018-2019 Official Thread: Bolder Predictions

[Corpus X]

Marc-Andre Bergeron was literally my go to in NHL 2009. He had a brilliant career.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Bergeron was an undersized NHL defenseman - and part of his career was in the most notorious clutch and grab era.

The comparison is lazy and not well thought out at all.

 

[Lunatik]

Bergeron was an undersized NHL defenseman - and part of his career was in the most notorious clutch and grab era.

The comparison is lazy and not well thought out at all.

The comparison is simple. Offensive defenseman that to play defense. That is Kylington to a f***ing T

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

This sounds eerily similar to the year that Brodie made the team. He had an excellent pre-season, he was still fairly slight in frame, but really his only real issues were getting outmuscled down low. Many of his critics back then were also speaking that Brodie would never be an effective dman because he can’t play defence at an adequate level. I was laughed at hysterically for comparing him to Keith/Niedermeyer, it turns out it wasn’t a funny comparison. Brodie used his speed and smarts to become a very effective dman. The defensive concerns were somewhat just, but again overblown.

Kylington will not have the physical limitations that Brodie had back then. He’s faster, he’s very strong, he’s also grown his game on the defensive side of things a lot since being drafted. To say otherwise is false. There’s no reason to think that Kylington can’t play to his strengths and use his speed to defend just like the best dman in the NHL do today. Honestly I feel really confident in saying he’s gonna play, the league today is literally built for his game.

 

[DomBarr]

People need to remember he didn't really have great instruction in his development leading up to the draft, something people mistake for hockey IQ. Hanifin is in the same boat - both guys had to learn the game as pros because they just raw-talented their way to the top as amateurs. .

We can add Bennett to the same boat. The difference that Hanifin and Bennett had to learn in the NHL versus the AHL. Both were too young to play the AHL and after Hanifin signed his contract too good to send back to play junior.

 

[Baxterman]

This sounds eerily similar to the year that Brodie made the team. He had an excellent pre-season, he was still fairly slight in frame, but really his only real issues were getting outmuscled down low. Many of his critics back then were also speaking that Brodie would never be an effective dman because he can’t play defence at an adequate level. I was laughed at hysterically for comparing him to Keith/Niedermeyer, it turns out it wasn’t a funny comparison. Brodie used his speed and smarts to become a very effective dman. The defensive concerns were somewhat just, but again overblown.

Kylington will not have the physical limitations that Brodie had back then. He’s faster, he’s very strong, he’s also grown his game on the defensive side of things a lot since being drafted. To say otherwise is false. There’s no reason to think that Kylington can’t play to his strengths and use his speed to defend just like the best dman in the NHL do today. Honestly I feel really confident in saying he’s gonna play, the league today is literally built for his game.

If all it was were physical limitations I would be more hopefully because we have seen many guys overcome that, but with Kylington it seems much more to be a lack of defensive IQ that causes him trouble and I am not sure we have seen many guys overcome that.

Now maybe he has improved that in the AHL, but in the highlights I have seen he still seems to have awful pinches and loses his man a lot. He reminds of Wideman that way in that both are so clueless in their own zone and seem to think that because they once made a good play on a pinch that they should do it everytime no matter how dumb it seems to be.

I don't think he offensive game is near impressive enough to overcome his defensive stupidity but since I am so high on Valimaki I am not really concerned so if Kylington does somehow make it it would be a bonus.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Bold prediction, the top line will look like this by the end of the season:

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Neal

 

[Volica]

Too bold one might even say.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

I'm still cautiously optimistic on Kylington, but the hype train has left the station, and the thrusters are on max. Not entirely surprising on CFHF.

People were screaming to take him at 15/16 (whatever number we moved for Dougie in the end), even madder when we didn't take him with the Andersson pick, and then tried to immediately vote him as a better prospect than Andersson despite the Flames literally showing weeks before that they value Andersson higher.

Then I look at who is arguing against Kylington and who is defending him. No wonder it's a battle of extremes. Karlsson is arguably the best offensive skating defenseman in decades, a top player in this league. MAB is still reviled by posters everywhere and he hasn't even been in the NHL for six years.

I'm fairly certain that we can find a better baseline comparable for Kylington than the literal best offensive D and the most reviled ex NHL D man and actually have a conversation that isn't half traded insults.

 

[Volica]

I'm still cautiously optimistic on Kylington, but the hype train has left the station, and the thrusters are on max. Not entirely surprising on CFHF.

People were screaming to take him at 15/16 (whatever number we moved for Dougie in the end), even madder when we didn't take him with the Andersson pick, and the tried to immediately vote him as a better prospect than Andersson despite the Flames literally showing weeks before that they value Andersson higher.

Then I look at who is arguing against Kylington and who is defending him. No wonder it's a battle of extremes. Karlsson is arguably the best offensive skating defenseman in decades, a top player in this league. MAB is still reviled by posters everywhere and he hasn't even been in the NHL for six years.

I'm fairly certain that we can find a better baseline comparable for Kylington than the literal best offensive D and the most reviled ex NHL D man and actually have a conversation that isn't half traded insults.

Welcome to CFHF.

As I write things on this board I know exactly who will reply and what the reply will be. It’s pretty amazing.

 

[Fig]

I'm still cautiously optimistic on Kylington, but the hype train has left the station, and the thrusters are on max. Not entirely surprising on CFHF.

Well, this is the bold thread...

Honestly speaking, I think we should just compare all our dmen to Gio, performance, age and style wise. Because... internal cap reasons.

Seriously though, Gio vs Kylington... similar hairstyles at similar age.

 

[Lunatik]

I'm still cautiously optimistic on Kylington, but the hype train has left the station, and the thrusters are on max. Not entirely surprising on CFHF.

People were screaming to take him at 15/16 (whatever number we moved for Dougie in the end), even madder when we didn't take him with the Andersson pick, and then tried to immediately vote him as a better prospect than Andersson despite the Flames literally showing weeks before that they value Andersson higher.

Then I look at who is arguing against Kylington and who is defending him. No wonder it's a battle of extremes. Karlsson is arguably the best offensive skating defenseman in decades, a top player in this league. MAB is still reviled by posters everywhere and he hasn't even been in the NHL for six years.

I'm fairly certain that we can find a better baseline comparable for Kylington than the literal best offensive D and the most reviled ex NHL D man and actually have a conversation that isn't half traded insults.

To be fair, I was one of those guys that wanted Kylington in the first round and was upset when we took Andersson over him. Although I don't think I tried to vote him higher than Andersson. But watching Kylington in Stockton has soured me on him.

 

[Calculon]

Flames took Andersson at 53. Treliving then traded up to take Kylington at 60 (and giving up the 76th and 83rd overall in the process). They obviously liked Andersson but they (or at least Treliving) also clearly wanted Kylington right there too.

But regardless, the draft status of players really shouldn't be a factor in a fan ranking of the prospect pool. Fans aren't going to be in lockstep with the organization on everything and that's okay.

One thing that's fairly amusing though is that a fair number also pegged Giordano and Brodie as nothing more than bottom pairing powerplay specialists once upon a time. Based on that, my optimism for Kylington only grows.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I'm still cautiously optimistic on Kylington, but the hype train has left the station, and the thrusters are on max. Not entirely surprising on CFHF.

People were screaming to take him at 15/16 (whatever number we moved for Dougie in the end), even madder when we didn't take him with the Andersson pick, and then tried to immediately vote him as a better prospect than Andersson despite the Flames literally showing weeks before that they value Andersson higher.

Then I look at who is arguing against Kylington and who is defending him. No wonder it's a battle of extremes. Karlsson is arguably the best offensive skating defenseman in decades, a top player in this league. MAB is still reviled by posters everywhere and he hasn't even been in the NHL for six years.

I'm fairly certain that we can find a better baseline comparable for Kylington than the literal best offensive D and the most reviled ex NHL D man and actually have a conversation that isn't half traded insults.

Just stop, stop with your logic, my brain is on overload.

 

[Lunatik]

Flames finish top 10 in goals for

 

[Ace Rimmer]

The comparison is simple. Offensive defenseman that to play defense. That is Kylington to a ****ing T

You... you remember that I'm the one that made that comparison to you (as Kylington's floor) right? :p

 

[Lunatik]

You... you remember that I'm the one that made that comparison to you (as Kylington's floor) right? :p

I think that's his ceiling to be honest. I think he's more likely to see less than 100 career NHL games

 

[Rubi]

My bold predictions are:

Positive: Treliving will make a trade for Erik Karlsson with the understanding that Karlsson will sign a contract extension of $11m x 7 years with the Flames

Negative: Treliving will give up Hamonic, Mangiapane, and the Flames 2020 1st round draft pick for Karlsson.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

I think that's his ceiling to be honest. I think he's more likely to see less than 100 career NHL games

Nah. He has Phil Housley potential IMO. Jay Bouwmeester if he improves his defensive game.

Negative: Treliving will give up Hamonic, Mangiapane, and the Flames 2020 1st round draft pick for Karlsson.

Replace Mangiapane with Valimaki

 

[Lunatik]

Nah. He has Phil Housley potential IMO. Jay Bouwmeester if he improves his defensive game.

You know.... I could see Kylington as a terrible NHL coach

 

[greasysnapper]

Derek Ryan is Gaudreau's center for the majority of the season. The old Bill Peters special.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Flames finish top 9 in goals for

 

[DomBarr]

My bold predictions are:

Positive: Treliving will make a trade for Erik Karlsson with the understanding that Karlsson will sign a contract extension of $11m x 7 years with the Flames

Negative: Treliving will give up Hamonic, Mangiapane, and the Flames 2020 1st round draft pick for Karlsson.

how can that be negative if all we give up for an extended Karlsson is Hamonic, Mangiapane and the 2020 1st rounder...unless the Negative part is that he trades that for Karlsson knowing that Karlsson will NOT extend

 

[InfinityIggy]

Glass will be our starter by the end of the season.

 

[Lunatik]

Glass will be our starter by the end of the season.

And ill be on the cover of the SI swimsuit edition