Player Discussion Bobby Ryan Part V - Consistently Inconsistent

[Tuna99]

Ryan's been playing with a broken finger for much of this season, a good chunk of last year too. He'd probably draw less criticism if he just sat out when he gets hurt instead of freezing his hand and playing through it, but instead he toughs it out and people complain about him not caring enough.

He's had a bad year for sure though. Playing well now, hopefully his luck turns around and he finishes strong without any more broken fingers.

I'm not buying this. Ryan is in styeady decline, look at his stats. How many injuries do we hear about from EK - he's playing 28 minutes a night, leading the league in blocked shots, plays Olympics, All Star game - I've never heard an injury leak or him speak about any injury ever. Same with Methot, Turris, Phanuef, Smith every single player that doesn't want poeple feeling sorry for them or coming with a built in excuse. With Ryan we know everything about every thing that 'could' be affecting his game, fingers, mono, his personal life - before he even got here TSN1200 had about 3 days of repeating that Ryan had mono in Anaheim and it hurt his production.

And here we are at the end of the season, and Ryan's gone on another disapearring act. He just came back from an injury, what's the excuse now.

Every player in the NHL is dealing with things, it's normal life for them to, but there are players who have their 'issues' built into the conversation and there are those who never let it, I'm a fan of the players just playing and not making excuses.

 

[Micklebot]

I'm not buying this. Ryan is in styeady decline, look at his stats. How many injuries do we hear about from EK - he's playing 28 minutes a night, leading the league in blocked shots, plays Olympics, All Star game - I've never heard an injury leak or him speak about any injury ever. Same with Methot, Turris, Phanuef, Smith every single player that doesn't want poeple feeling sorry for them or coming with a built in excuse. With Ryan we know everything about every thing that 'could' be affecting his game, fingers, mono, his personal life - before he even got here TSN1200 had about 3 days of repeating that Ryan had mono in Anaheim and it hurt his production.

And here we are at the end of the season, and Ryan's gone on another disapearring act. He just came back from an injury, what's the excuse now.

Every player in the NHL is dealing with things, it's normal life for them to, but there are players who have their 'issues' built into the conversation and there are those who never let it, I'm a fan of the players just playing and not making excuses.

Uhm... we heard a lot about Turris' injuries last year and this year; bum shoulder, followed up by the ankle sprain a couple weeks later. Exploded finger this year.

Methot we hear about back issues from time to time affecting his play.

With Ryan, Pierre MgGuire was the one who commented on his stomach virus (not mono) in his last year in Anaheim, and we heard about injuries because the ended his season (hernia) or kept him out of games (broken fingers 1 2 and 3).

We hear about Stone's concussions excusing his play not being up to par earlier this season, about Hoffman's groin issue excusing his slow start, about Gaudreau's wrist affecting his performance earlier this year,

Honestly though, you're complaint is that because we know about some of Ryan's injuries, but don't hear about them for some other players, Ryan's must either be made up, or just being leaked to excuse his play? I really don't get your point here.

I'm a fan of not having selective hearing myself. Like I said though, Ryan has had a poor season regardless of injuries, but injuries contributed to his season there is no doubt. It's fine to be unhappy with his production this year, it's fine to think he's declining, but I don't know what to tell you if you don't think a broken finger will affect play, there's not much to discuss here. If you just don't think a broken finger is enough to excuse his dropping from just shy of 60 pts pace to a ~35 pts pace, great I agree. He still needs to produce more. If he continues to play the way he has the last three games, he will imo.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Uhm... we heard a lot about Turris' injuries last year and this year; bum shoulder, followed up by the ankle sprain a couple weeks later. Exploded finger this year.

Methot we hear about back issues from time to time affecting his play.

With Ryan, Pierre MgGuire was the one who commented on his stomach virus (not mono) in his last year in Anaheim, and we heard about injuries because the ended his season (hernia) or kept him out of games (broken fingers 1 2 and 3).

We hear about Stone's concussions excusing his play not being up to par earlier this season, about Hoffman's groin issue excusing his slow start, about Gaudreau's wrist affecting his performance earlier this year,

Honestly though, you're complaint is that because we know about some of Ryan's injuries, but don't hear about them for some other players, Ryan's must either be made up, or just being leaked to excuse his play? I really don't get your point here.

I'm a fan of not having selective hearing myself. Like I said though, Ryan has had a poor season regardless of injuries, but injuries contributed to his season there is no doubt. It's fine to be unhappy with his production this year, it's fine to think he's declining, but I don't know what to tell you if you don't think a broken finger will affect play, there's not much to discuss here. If you just don't think a broken finger is enough to excuse his dropping from just shy of 60 pts pace to a ~35 pts pace, great I agree. He still needs to produce more. If he continues to play the way he has the last three games, he will imo.

I think that injuries have been a huge part of Ryan's aparent decline over the last few seasons. The dude has had a ton of trouble staying healthy, unfortunately. This doesn't necessarily excuse his play this season (in my opinion at least), but it definitely helps to explain it.

 

[Stylizer1]

Ryan's been playing with a broken finger for much of this season, a good chunk of last year too. He'd probably draw less criticism if he just sat out when he gets hurt instead of freezing his hand and playing through it, but instead he toughs it out and people complain about him not caring enough.

He's had a bad year for sure though. Playing well now, hopefully his luck turns around and he finishes strong without any more broken fingers.

each season Ryan has been here his production fell off in the second half of the season. Last season when Turris kept playing through his injury many of us thought he should of just sat down but instead He kept his ironman streak intact just to later sit when it was clear we were not going to make the playoffs.

Let's say Ryan was healthy at the beginning of this season. He had 6 points in 17 games then broke a finger. If he had 14 points in 17 games and then broke his finger then you could say that injury had affected his offense.

His last coupe of games he has noticeably skated hard and has put in more effort. He will not maintain that level of play and will return to the player he is most of the time which is a floater.

To me Ryan is like Daigle. He had enough skill to make the NHL but once here he plateaued and hasn't improved and relies on what he ha and makes due. Many players are like that.

 

[Micklebot]

each season Ryan has been here his production fell off in the second half of the season. Last season when Turris kept playing through his injury many of us thought he should of just sat down but instead He kept his ironman streak intact just to later sit when it was clear we were not going to make the playoffs.

Let's say Ryan was healthy at the beginning of this season. He had 6 points in 17 games then broke a finger. If he had 14 points in 17 games and then broke his finger then you could say that injury had affected his offense.

His last coupe of games he has noticeably skated hard and has put in more effort. He will not maintain that level of play and will return to the player he is most of the time which is a floater.

To me Ryan is like Daigle. He had enough skill to make the NHL but once here he plateaued and hasn't improved and relies on what he ha and makes due. Many players are like that.

Lots of players on the team struggled to start the year;

Brassard had 12 in his first 30 games (33 pts pace)
Hoffman had 7 pts in his first 16 games (36 pts pace)
Stone had 8 pts in his first 17 (39 pts pace)
Smith had 6 in his first 26 games (19 pts pace)
Pageau had 6 in his first 24 (20 pts pace)

Pretty much everyone but Turris, Dzingel and Pyatt were disappointing offensively to start the year which was likely the result of adjusting to the new system.

You talk about Turris playing when it was apparent he shouldn't be, well imo that was the case with Ryan for some good stretches. He simply couldn't get anything on a shot after breaking the finger, and he couldn't receive passes effectively either, likely due to having froze the finger in order to play.

Nobody is saying his season hasn't been disappointing, or that he doesn't have issues with his game, just that to ignore the fact that injuries have affected his production this year is disingenuous.

 

[swiftwin]

I'm not buying this. Ryan is in styeady decline, look at his stats. How many injuries do we hear about from EK - he's playing 28 minutes a night, leading the league in blocked shots, plays Olympics, All Star game - I've never heard an injury leak or him speak about any injury ever. Same with Methot, Turris, Phanuef, Smith every single player that doesn't want poeple feeling sorry for them or coming with a built in excuse. With Ryan we know everything about every thing that 'could' be affecting his game, fingers, mono, his personal life - before he even got here TSN1200 had about 3 days of repeating that Ryan had mono in Anaheim and it hurt his production.

And here we are at the end of the season, and Ryan's gone on another disapearring act. He just came back from an injury, what's the excuse now.

Every player in the NHL is dealing with things, it's normal life for them to, but there are players who have their 'issues' built into the conversation and there are those who never let it, I'm a fan of the players just playing and not making excuses.

2013-14: 48 pts
2014-15: 54 pts
2015-16: 56 pts


Just go back to complaining about him not celly'ing enough. Atleast that is not factually wrong.

He's playing well for us right now, and that's all I care about at this point.

 

[Stylizer1]

Lots of players on the team struggled to start the year;

Brassard had 12 in his first 30 games (33 pts pace)
Hoffman had 7 pts in his first 16 games (36 pts pace)
Stone had 8 pts in his first 17 (39 pts pace)
Smith had 6 in his first 26 games (19 pts pace)
Pageau had 6 in his first 24 (20 pts pace)

Pretty much everyone but Turris, Dzingel and Pyatt were disappointing offensively to start the year which was likely the result of adjusting to the new system.

You talk about Turris playing when it was apparent he shouldn't be, well imo that was the case with Ryan for some good stretches. He simply couldn't get anything on a shot after breaking the finger, and he couldn't receive passes effectively either, likely due to having froze the finger in order to play.

Nobody is saying his season hasn't been disappointing, or that he doesn't have issues with his game, just that to ignore the fact that injuries have affected his production this year is disingenuous.

But it's every year. He has never been a productive player this late in the season for us. It's not like when he's healthy he's this amazing player. He scores with a little more regularity but he still has huge dips at the most important times.

 

[JungleBeat]

Our 7.5M man probably won't score 30 points.

 

[JD1]

as I posted in the Hoffman thread, Ryans 5 on 5 goal scoring is up compared to the last couple of years. His assists are down and that is primarily a result of Dzingel's lack of finish.


Injuries have caused him to miss time and they've had him playing without being able to shoot. His ice time is way down and his PP ice time is down.

So you add it all up and yes his points are going to be a lot lower. I don't think he is a Boucher type player myself. Maybe I don't recall correctly but I don't think he lost ice time from the beginning of the year due to lack of productivity....he hasn't had the same ice time from the get go.

 

[playasRus]

Our 7.5M man probably won't score 30 points.

Is 1/4 of that is picked up by insurance from his injuries?

 

[SanderSen]

Does Ryan have a no move clause in his contract? Not that he is movable but wondering if he has to be on the expansion draft protected list because of the clause.

 

[SanderSen]

Does Ryan have a no move clause in his contract? Not that he is movable but wondering if he has to be on the expansion draft protected list because of the clause.

Looked it up and he has to submit a 10 team list, does this mean he has to be protected in the draft?

 

[Real Smart Sens Fan]

Looked it up and he has to submit a 10 team list, does this mean he has to be protected in the draft?

Nope!

Full list posted here: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/official-nhl-expansion-draft-exempt-list-contains-surprises/

 

[SanderSen]

Nope!

Full list posted here: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/official-nhl-expansion-draft-exempt-list-contains-surprises/

Ryan not taking a protected slot, EXCELLENT!

 

[johan f]

How come Ottawa is paying him that high salary? Did he arrive with a recent 50-goal season under his belt...? I already know the answer. This signing pisses me off, still!

 

[Burrowsaurus]

How come Ottawa is paying him that high salary? Did he arrive with a recent 50-goal season under his belt...? I already know the answer. This signing pisses me off, still!

"Murray had to".

Isn't Dzingel near the top of the team in 5v5 production. And I see Ryan's lack of production being blamed on the rookie off to a great career start.

 

[Agent Zub]

Ryan won't hit 30.

And Brassard might not hit 40.

Lovely.

 

[OD99]

Ryan won't hit 30.

And Brassard might not hit 40.

Lovely.

Yet here we are fighting for the division title.

Sometimes perspective can change your mood a bit? Not happy with their production either but believe both still have more to give so I am encouraged by the team.

Given some young players that look as though they can make an impact as early as next year (in Whites case perhaps this year) and I am even more optimistic.

Ryan is snake bitten right now...hopefully he gets hot as playoff games arrive.

 

[starling]

Ryan's been playing some good hockey lately IMO.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

How come Ottawa is paying him that high salary? Did he arrive with a recent 50-goal season under his belt...? I already know the answer. This signing pisses me off, still!

Ryan's first season in Ottawa was very good. He was on pace for almost 30 goals despite playing injured for a huge chunk of the season, and his first half of the season prior to getting injured he was playing like a legit 70+ point superstar. Combine that with the fact that he had averaged roughly 35 goals per 82 games in his four seasons prior to the lockout shortened season, it painted a very steady picture of Ryan as a top end goal scoring. Not an elite goal scorer like a Stamkos or an Ovechkin mind you, but consistent 35 goal players don't grow on trees.

Consider the actual context that the Canadian dollar had yet to tank and multiple players were getting what now have become inflated contracts with the expectation that nothing bad would ever happen and the cap would continually rise to offset their cap hits when viewed as a percentage of the salary cap, and that partially explains why he got 7.25M at the time when this most recent off-season unrestricted free agents of a similar perceived value like Okposo, Backes, and Eriksson are now getting 6M. It was a different time cap wise than now. Things changed very quickly.

Lastly, Ryan was signed 1 year early before that second season where he completely disappeared in the second half despite being healthy. Yes, the Senators could have waited to see how he performed in his second year as a Senator but Ryan held all the leverage with the amount the Sens gave up to acquire him and the fact that at the time of the signing Milan Michalek and Alex Chiasson were projected to be the team's next best wingers behind Ryan and MacArthur. Stone and Hoffman were promising prospects, but they'd yet to play a full season, and even the most optimistic fans wouldn't have penciled them in to become legit top 6 if not 1st line wingers in their rookie seasons.

 

[God Says No]

Ryan's been playing some good hockey lately IMO.

Agreed, but still not producing any points. I really like Bobby, and I hope he goes on a hot streak. Although I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Tundraman]

Ryan's been playing some good hockey lately IMO.

Quite good actually and no complaints if he was a 3rd or 4th liner.

 

[Sensinitis]

I'd love to see silfverberg under Boucher. As good as stone he'd be.

You're... serious?

 

[Icelevel]

You're... serious?

A few less points but more versatile as a defensive specialist and shootout specialist. Balances out for an overall equal impact I'd say. Yes 100% serious.
Also a playoff monster.

 

[Sensinitis]

A few less points but more versatile as a defensive specialist and shootout specialist. Balances out for an overall equal impact if say. Yes 100% serious.
Also a playoff monster.

Alright then!