Blues Trade Proposals Part XXXV

[LetsGoBooze]

Very much so

Player 1	Player 2	GP	TOI	TOI/GP	CF/60	CA/60	CF%	FF/60	FA/60	FF%	SF/60	SA/60	SF%	GF/60	GA/60	GF%	SCF/60	SCA/60	SCF%	HDCF/60	HDCA/60	HDCF%	HDGF/60	HDGA/60	HDGF%	On-Ice SH%	On-Ice SV%	PDO	Off. Zone Faceoffs/60	Neu. Zone Faceoffs/60	Def. Zone Faceoffs/60	Off. Zone Faceoff %
Leon Draisaitl	Connor McDavid	58	406:12	7:00	71.2	57.9	55.15	57.31	41.95	57.74	40.92	30.13	57.59	4.28	2.07	67.44	39.59	31.76	55.49	18.02	11.96	60.10	2.22	1.33	62.50	10.47	93.14	1.036	25.7	23.78	18.46	58.19
Leon Draisaitl	w/o Connor McDavid	58	428:52	7:23	61	57.92	51.29	45.19	42.39	51.60	33.16	30.78	51.86	2.94	3.36	46.67	31.76	30.22	51.24	10.07	11.19	47.37	1.4	1.54	47.62	8.86	89.09	0.980	19.31	25.04	18.47	51.11

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I feel like you're really discounting the top Blues players if you don't think he would atleast put up numbers somewhere in the middle of the two comparisons. With Tarasenko on his RW and a healthy Fabbri on his LW I would argue he would come close to the McD numbers, if not have a chance at surpassing them.

In addition, albeit a small sample size, he was a beast in the playoffs when he got the chance. We need guys who can play at that next level.

 

[BleedBlue14]

I'm still not sold on Draisaitl as a true #1. Doesn't he fade away when not flanking Mcdavid?

Very much so agreed McDavid is so dynamic it opens a lot of ice for him. Not to mention McDavids passing and the opponent having to game plan for him

I would rather keep Parayko, but now that we are discussing his hypothetical replacement, I would rather have Chris Tanev. Sound at both ends. I think if we traded Parayko, it is what Colton provides defensively that we would miss the most. It may not appear on the score sheet, but we would really feel that loss.

Tanev is a good player, and a capable replacement. I just don't think any of us want to go through the roller coaster ride of wondering which impact player on our roster will be injured and miss a month every other game.

I feel like you're really discounting the top Blues players if you don't think he would atleast put up numbers somewhere in the middle of the two comparisons. With Tarasenko on his RW and a healthy Fabbri on his LW I would argue he would come close to the McD numbers, if not have a chance at surpassing them.

In addition, albeit a small sample size, he was a beast in the playoffs when he got the chance. We need guys who can play at that next level.

Look Tarasenko is a phenomenal shooter (generally) and can create his own shot. I really don't think putting him on a line with Tarasenko would be that great of an idea. They are both two heavy players who can score goals. But let's not mistake Tarasenkos abilitys with McDavids. McDavid is the most dynamic player in the league due to his skating and ability to play at such a high level of speed as wel as process the game at that level. He blows defenses completely wide open when he is on the ice the only comparable thing any team sees all year is Barzal and it's still a lesser version.
Sure it will open the ice up for both of them a bit but I don't see this turning Draisaitl into a PPG player.

I also don't see us having the ability to trade Parayko and effectively replace the void that would be left. If we sign Carlson, sure maybe but I'm not too sure that that is the best route of action considering our defense prospects look fairly pedestrian. Dunn I can confidently say will be a top 4 option going forward but can we say that about anyone aside from 27? Eddy, sure but he's not going to anchor a pairing unless it's a bottom pairing nor do I believe Dunn will. what happens in 4-5 years when we have all of these high end forwards in our system and on our team and Vince Dunn no.1 because Pietro and Carlson are both 33 and fading in terms of play and not being able to sustain 25:00 each night?

 

[Dbrownss]

So....this may be petty of me, but it turns out Max Pacioretty wasnt worth a young centerman.

 

[Stealth JD]

So....this may be petty of me, but it turns out Max Pacioretty wasnt worth a young centerman.

I dunno. I would have given them Tanner Kaspick.

 

[Dbrownss]

I dunno. I would have given them Tanner Kaspick.

I was reading the Pacioretty to LA thread. The same suspects were just as obnoxious to LA fans as they were to Blues fans. It doesn't matter what Bergevin "has" to get for Pacioretty...the only thing that matters is what someone will pay. No one was paying Vilardi or Thomas.

 

[bleedblue1223]

So....this may be petty of me, but it turns out Max Pacioretty wasnt worth a young centerman.

And our big 4 wasn't available at all, shocker.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I'm still not sold on Draisaitl as a true #1. Doesn't he fade away when not flanking Mcdavid?

Edmonton also has garbage forwards outside of those 2.

 

[Dbrownss]

And our big 4 wasn't available at all, shocker.

I really am suprised he wouldn't move on Kostin and Thompson. I like him sticking to his guns though. Blues fans kept saying the top guys weren't available before the press release from Army. It's satisfying being "right".

Edmonton also has garbage forwards outside of those 2.

True but Parayko+8.5m cap hit is a huge gamble.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I really am suprised he wouldn't move on Kostin and Thompson. I like him sticking to his guns though. Blues fans kept saying the top guys weren't available before the press release from Army. It's satisfying being "right".


True but Parayko+8.5m cap hit is a huge gamble.

Not saying I'd make the trade, but watching Draisaitl, I'm pretty confident that he'd be a #1 center anywhere. More in a Kopitar sense and won't lead the league in scoring, but a bonafide top-tier center.

It's something I'd definitely consider if the offer was on the table.

 

[CCsmug]

Hey, first time poster but long time lurker.

After the Tavares sweepstakes are over, assuming he didn't end up in STL, here are a few other names I'd like to target this off season (with their remaining years and cap hits).

O'Reilly 5/$7.5
Johnson 6/$5
Stepan 3/$6.5
Hopkins 3/$6

None are #1C, but all are high #2s.

 

[bleedblue1223]

If Army is able to dump Berglund and/or Sobotka, then I think trading for a top 6 player on a not so great contract is a very viable route to take.

 

[Dbrownss]

If Army is able to dump Berglund and/or Sobotka, then I think trading for a top 6 player on a not so great contract is a very viable route to take.

It sounded like there was some interest in those guy. I think they will be offseason moves....at least 1 of them.


Side note, I see Boumeester playing out his contract here. He's got next year and he's gone. No we since I'm buying him out for 1yr

 

[carter333167]

Regarding trades for forwards, I wouldn't trade either Thomas or Kyrou for a vet. I would consider Thompson or Kostin for the right vet with at least 4 years of control. I really think we need to keep building the youth via Bill Armstrong to mimic Winnipeg's path to a great roster. They built via the draft. We need at least one or two more forwards that have at least decent releases and that can hit either top corner with reasonable proficiency. Right now, I believe that we have only one or two genuine sniping threats.

Regarding D-men, if we could find a super solid young #3 RHD, then you could afford to deal Parayko or Petro in a subsequent trade for forward help. I don't necessarily advocate it but so many raise the issue that I thought it was worth pointing out that the solution to getting a stud forward might be to find a replacement for Petro or Parayko (a downgrade but still a serviceable replacement) and then deal one of our stud D-Men. Honestly, if Walman was as good as Dunn and was a RHD, you probably could afford to deal one of our top two RHD.

Finally, regarding all of the above, I don't think we should make any drastic moves until we have a firm feel on the goalie situation. We aren't going anywhere without stable goaltending. I wouldn't be totally shocked to see DA consider moving Allen (or having a long discussion with him about work during the summer), signing Hutton (or someone else) and bringing up Husso. The scary thing is that we have no one decent after Husso, so we better draft another goaltender. I do have confidence that Husso will pan out as a solid NHL goalie. He may not be Vasy but he has all the signs of being very sound fundamentally and positionally.

Two rather huge decisions on the horizon are Petro and Schenn in two years--will they extend or are they going to test UFA? If either shows signs of wanting to test UFA, in theory you could use one of them in the next year as a piece in a mega-lateral move. It would take courage but it's not like other big names are never moved--Subban, Karlsson reportedly, etc. etc.

 

[Stealth JD]

Winnipeg built through the draft because they've missed the playoffs practically every year for the past 15. Easy to do when you're constantly drafting top-10.

I will take it to my grave believing that this franchise should have stayed down longer then they did coming out of the lockout. The Blues would have survived with a three or four year down-turn, had they taken their lumps like the Pens, Kings and Hawks did. Instead, Dave Checketts and team pushed this club towards 'competitive' right away, and right back down the path of mediocrity.

Such a shitty franchise to be a fan of.

 

[carter333167]

Winnipeg built through the draft because they've missed the playoffs practically every year for the past 15. Easy to do when you're constantly drafting top-10.

Fair enough but they also didn't trade away their number one picks.

How about TB? I haven't checked but how often have they traded their $1 pick (until this year)?

 

[MissouriMook]

Very much so

Player 1	Player 2	GP	TOI	TOI/GP	CF/60	CA/60	CF%	FF/60	FA/60	FF%	SF/60	SA/60	SF%	GF/60	GA/60	GF%	SCF/60	SCA/60	SCF%	HDCF/60	HDCA/60	HDCF%	HDGF/60	HDGA/60	HDGF%	On-Ice SH%	On-Ice SV%	PDO	Off. Zone Faceoffs/60	Neu. Zone Faceoffs/60	Def. Zone Faceoffs/60	Off. Zone Faceoff %
Leon Draisaitl	Connor McDavid	58	406:12	7:00	71.2	57.9	55.15	57.31	41.95	57.74	40.92	30.13	57.59	4.28	2.07	67.44	39.59	31.76	55.49	18.02	11.96	60.10	2.22	1.33	62.50	10.47	93.14	1.036	25.7	23.78	18.46	58.19
Leon Draisaitl	w/o Connor McDavid	58	428:52	7:23	61	57.92	51.29	45.19	42.39	51.60	33.16	30.78	51.86	2.94	3.36	46.67	31.76	30.22	51.24	10.07	11.19	47.37	1.4	1.54	47.62	8.86	89.09	0.980	19.31	25.04	18.47	51.11

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Anyone is going to look better with McDavid. The real question is how does he compare to Stastny and any of the other available options for #1C or #2C?

 

[Alklha]

Winnipeg built through the draft because they've missed the playoffs practically every year for the past 15. Easy to do when you're constantly drafting top-10.

I will take it to my grave believing that this franchise should have stayed down longer then they did coming out of the lockout. The Blues would have survived with a three or four year down-turn, had they taken their lumps like the Pens, Kings and Hawks did. Instead, Dave Checketts and team pushed this club towards 'competitive' right away, and right back down the path of mediocrity.

Such a ****ty franchise to be a fan of.

I don't disagree that we should have been bad longer, but the Oilers is the other flips side to that. McDavid and Draisaitl will drag them out eventually, but they had a lot of misses.

Hell, we'd be in a much better position if we had just drafted Couture instead of trading down for Eller. Who knows what we could have got for EJ if Armstrong had actually seen what was on offer from other teams, instead of getting so enamoured with Stewart.

 

[PiggySmalls]

I will take it to my grave believing that this franchise should have stayed down longer then they did coming out of the lockout.

I completely agree, a complete rebuild was not done properly. Its effect can still be felt today.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Winnipeg built through the draft because they've missed the playoffs practically every year for the past 15. Easy to do when you're constantly drafting top-10.

I will take it to my grave believing that this franchise should have stayed down longer then they did coming out of the lockout. The Blues would have survived with a three or four year down-turn, had they taken their lumps like the Pens, Kings and Hawks did. Instead, Dave Checketts and team pushed this club towards 'competitive' right away, and right back down the path of mediocrity.

Such a ****ty franchise to be a fan of.

While I agree with you, I wonder how much thought was put into the question of how long can they really stay in the basement before they start to hit the red on the budget pretty heavy? I think hockey with the recent outburst in high level youth coming out of the area may be able to sustain something like that for 3 or 4 maybe 5 years now, but then I don't see it being a remotely possible choice for the ownership groups. While it would definitely help the team out in the long run I just would really hesitate to see anything like a full rebuild happening after seeing the Rams attendance absolutely plummet while they were in the dumps.

We can't compete with the market that an o6 team has or a Canadian market where hockey is typically the main sport or at least has an extremely strong fan base towards hockey. I do think the state of the game is going in the right direction in St. Louis though. Agreed on the last portion though, but I guess that's the lumps you take with being a smaller market team. Here's to the growth of the sport in the states, which I believe is in really good hands with the level of play. Would really like to see the Olympics go back to the BEST players in the world playing for the medals though. Horrible move by the Olympic committee as well as the NHL holding the players out.

 

[Stealth JD]

If Bettman isn't moving the Coyotes, Panthers, Hurricanes or any number of other budget-teams with attendance problems I think it's pretty safe to say the Blues wouldn't have been relocated simply because they had a 5-year stretch of poor revenue. Ultimately, it's up to ownership to be willing to absorb the losses for the greater good...but it's no wonder this franchise has never won a Cup.

 

[PiggySmalls]

Not saying I'd make the trade, but watching Draisaitl, I'm pretty confident that he'd be a #1 center anywhere. More in a Kopitar sense and won't lead the league in scoring, but a bonafide top-tier center.

It's something I'd definitely consider if the offer was on the table.

Exactly this, even when he is separated from McDavid it is not like becomes a passenger. He still drives the line he is on, he just doesn't have good wingers at all. In 15-16 when McDavid went down Draisaitl (2nd year pro) still put up 51 Points in 72 games. Playing alot with Taylor Hall and Teddy freaking Purcell. If Blues lose out on JT (which probably will because he will resign with isles), I would at least test the waters with Parayko for Draisaitl. I dont see EDM doing it because of their forward corps problems.

 

[carter333167]

I don't mind the discussion re Parayko or even Petro.

I still think the first question we should answer, in order to properly plan a window is whether Schenn and Petro will re-sign. We have two years remaining. By the way, Petro probably brings more than Parayko in a trade right now and I don't think Petro has an NTC. I would probably prefer to move Petro if a King's ransom could be had in turn.

It probably would be safest to get Kyrou and Thomas up here at all costs next year to see what we have. If they are a partial answer for a second line, then we have less holes to fill than we thought and we can keep our D as it currently sits.

Finally, regarding all of this discussion, we need to answer the goalie question.

 

[Oberyn]

Pietrangelo has an NTC on the last 3 years of his contract.

 

[carter333167]

Pietrangelo has an NTC on the last 3 years of his contract.

Fair enough--sorry I missed it.

 

[mw2noobbuster]

Very much so

Player 1	Player 2	GP	TOI	TOI/GP	CF/60	CA/60	CF%	FF/60	FA/60	FF%	SF/60	SA/60	SF%	GF/60	GA/60	GF%	SCF/60	SCA/60	SCF%	HDCF/60	HDCA/60	HDCF%	HDGF/60	HDGA/60	HDGF%	On-Ice SH%	On-Ice SV%	PDO	Off. Zone Faceoffs/60	Neu. Zone Faceoffs/60	Def. Zone Faceoffs/60	Off. Zone Faceoff %
Leon Draisaitl	Connor McDavid	58	406:12	7:00	71.2	57.9	55.15	57.31	41.95	57.74	40.92	30.13	57.59	4.28	2.07	67.44	39.59	31.76	55.49	18.02	11.96	60.10	2.22	1.33	62.50	10.47	93.14	1.036	25.7	23.78	18.46	58.19
Leon Draisaitl	w/o Connor McDavid	58	428:52	7:23	61	57.92	51.29	45.19	42.39	51.60	33.16	30.78	51.86	2.94	3.36	46.67	31.76	30.22	51.24	10.07	11.19	47.37	1.4	1.54	47.62	8.86	89.09	0.980	19.31	25.04	18.47	51.11

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You should see the linemates Draisaitl is normally playing with. AHL players lol.