Proposal: Blockbuster PIT-EDM-CAR

[A91]

Pass on Kessel

Great guy and player but not a guy I want to trade Yamms + 1st for. As good as a player he is hes just not that core piece

 

[The Moose is Loose]

I mean, Phil's coming off his best season so far. No sign he's going to to drop off a cliff in a few years.

But by all means, let the Oilers keep trying what they are trying. I love the meltdowns.

okay

 

[Jumptheshark]

To Pens: Skinner, Yamamoto
To Canes: Pens 2019 1st, Oilers 2019 1st
To Oilers: Kessel

oh hell no from the the oilers

and oh ya

the cap swings by as says "hi there--I think we need to talk"

also--two first for Skinner?

r u a canes fan

 

[Captain Controversy]

To Pens: Skinner, Yamamoto
To Canes: Pens 2019 1st, Oilers 2019 1st
To Oilers: Kessel

You forgot to send Lucic to penguins

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

oh hell no from the the oilers

and oh ya

the cap swings by as says "hi there--I think we need to talk"

also--two first for Skinner?

r u a canes fan

Fairly certain the OP is a Pens fan.

 

[bleedgreen]

Take Lucic off our hands as well at no extra cost and you have a deal. Otherwise there is no way I accept that and we can't afford it anyway. Yamo will be a stud for us either next to Drai or Mcdavid and he's 20, and on a 3 year elc. The first is also an elc piece but I wouldn't be opposed to trading it for immediate help. Change Yamo to Puljujarvi. I think he would also be more interesting for Pittsburgh to aquire over Yamo. My updated proposal:

To Pens: Skinner + Puljujarvi

To Canes: EDM and PIT 1st + Lucic + Sekera + EDM 2nd

To EDM: Kessel + Faulk

So we trade our best two trading chips, who despite the arguing of how valuable they are - still are valuable and we somehow end up with both Lucic and Sekera......

I don’t think it was a Canes fan with the OP, no need to retaliate on us bruh.

 

[780il]

So we trade our best two trading chips, who despite the arguing of how valuable they are - still are valuable and we somehow end up with both Lucic and Sekera......

I don’t think it was a Canes fan with the OP, no need to retaliate on us bruh.

I dont know why Canes fans think this is bad for them. All their doing is downgrading and getting back 3 high picks for better players and taking on a little extra salary. You already have that in spades and it's not like you have any elite players other than Svechnikov that will demand more than like 7 mil. Also it's not like you need cap space for free agency. Who tf signs in Carolina. Your dropping about 10-15 goals and 10-15 points from Skinner to Lucic and about 10 points from Faulk to Sekera for two 1sts, a 2nd, and some extra salary that you can for sure take on without much consequence. Not to mention Faulk and Skinner will just walk in 2 and 1 year(s) respectively.

 

[SaskCanesFan]

I dont know why Canes fans think this is bad for them. All their doing is downgrading and getting back 3 high picks for better players and taking on a little extra salary. You already have that in spades and it's not like you have any elite players other than Svechnikov that will demand more than like 7 mil. Also it's not like you need cap space for free agency. Who tf signs in Carolina.

Calvin De Haan. Like less than a week ago.

Your dropping about 10-15 goals and 10-15 points from Skinner to Lucic and about 10 points from Faulk to Sekera for two 1sts, a 2nd, and some extra salary that you can for sure take on without much consequence. Not to mention Faulk and Skinner will just walk in 2 and 1 year(s) respectively.

You've talked to both players and know they're walking? That's amazing

 

[bleedgreen]

I can’t tell if that’s a serious post or a Canes poster on a fake account trolling the other Canes fans.

 

[SaskCanesFan]

I can’t tell if that’s a serious post or a Canes poster on a fake account trolling the other Canes fans.

I hadn't thought of that option. But it is so on the nose to be on purpose

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I dont know why Canes fans think this is bad for them. All their doing is downgrading and getting back 3 high picks for better players and taking on a little extra salary. You already have that in spades and it's not like you have any elite players other than Svechnikov that will demand more than like 7 mil. Also it's not like you need cap space for free agency. Who tf signs in Carolina. Your dropping about 10-15 goals and 10-15 points from Skinner to Lucic and about 10 points from Faulk to Sekera for two 1sts, a 2nd, and some extra salary that you can for sure take on without much consequence. Not to mention Faulk and Skinner will just walk in 2 and 1 year(s) respectively.

1) Lucic's contract. He has a NMC, which unless he agrees to not keep it after being traded (and why would he do that), the Canes would have to protect him and lose someone else of value in the next expansion draft.
2) The Canes have Slavin, De Haan, Fleury and Bean on the LHD side; Hamilton, Pesce, TVR, McKeown and Fox on the RHD side. Sekera is a good player, but why would we want to add any salary for a player we don't need or want. Faulk is very likely getting moved, but I'll be surprised if it's for a NHL caliber defenseman as part of the deal. Had the Canes not signed De Haan, maybe it would make sense, but it makes no sense now. Sekera also has a NMC right now (which switches to a NTC) and he refused to sign in Carolina previously, so why would he waive now?
3) Canes may have cap space, but they still don't like to spend real money where they don't have to as their owner has stated and shown.
4) RE: "no elite players". Aho will likely demand more than $7M down the road. Necas has as much of a chance to demand that as Svechnikov. Hamilton will need a new contract in a few years.

 

[Connor McConnor]

Oilers need low-cost players on ELCs like Yama and that potential 1st if they have any chance of winning a cup unless the cap continues to rise significantly and we can sign our current young players to ridiculous discount deals .. both relatively unlikely.

 

[780il]

1) Lucic's contract. He has a NMC, which unless he agrees to not keep it after being traded (and why would he do that), the Canes would have to protect him and lose someone else of value in the next expansion draft.
2) The Canes have Slavin, De Haan, Fleury and Bean on the LHD side; Hamilton, Pesce, TVR, McKeown and Fox on the RHD side. Sekera is a good player, but why would we want to add any salary for a player we don't need or want. Faulk is very likely getting moved, but I'll be surprised if it's for a NHL caliber defenseman as part of the deal. Had the Canes not signed De Haan, maybe it would make sense, but it makes no sense now. Sekera also has a NMC right now (which switches to a NTC) and he refused to sign in Carolina previously, so why would he waive now?
3) Canes may have cap space, but they still don't like to spend real money where they don't have to as their owner has stated and shown.
4) RE: "no elite players". Aho will likely demand more than $7M down the road. Necas has as much of a chance to demand that as Svechnikov. Hamilton will need a new contract in a few years.

Forgot about Necas. He's a stud, my bad.

1.) Lucic would waive for the low pressure situation in Carolina where no one would bat an eye his way
2.)He signed here because of Mcdavid and thats why he didnt go back to Carolina. If we asked him to waive Carolina would probably be on the list. Then you could just flip him for more assets to another team or keep him.
3.)Valid Point ngl
4.)Necas and Svechnikov are studs. Aho I think you could lock up for 7m on a 6 year Pastrnak esque deal. Dougie's new contract is still a ways away

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Lucic rode shotgun with Connor McDavid and still stunk up the joint

Well, there's certainly no guarantee he'd get back on track. They're not miracle workers, but they don't necessarily play the game the same way McDavid does and they could click differently.

If you're not interested that's cool, I don't need to push a guy with Kessel's resume. But he checked enough boxes of what the Oilers need (fast, elite skill, productive, RH RW, PP specialist, playoff proven, reasonable deal) that I thought people might want to see if they could move something around to accommodate him.

If Kris Russell's the barrier...I guess that's your priority.

Pass on Kessel

Great guy and player but not a guy I want to trade Yamms + 1st for. As good as a player he is hes just not that core piece

Exactly how good is the scoring winger you're looking for if Kessel doesn't fit the bill, and how exactly do you expect to get him for Yamamoto and a 1st?

Yamamoto and that 1st are going to be the ELC pieces Edmonton needs to manage their cap in the future. Like Kessel but he's not a luxury that Edmonton needs or can afford.

With all due respect, it seems odd to put all your eggs in the ELC basket over a proven elite winger who's better than Yamamoto projects to be in a best-case scenario. ELCs are important, but you have Puljujarvi coming up too. Are you expecting all these guys to hit?

You forgot to send Lucic to penguins

Pretty sure it'd be idiotic to take back an albatross when we're sending out a 92 point playoff juggernaut on a sweetheart contract.

 

[cspera777]

To Pens: Skinner, Yamamoto
To Canes: Pens 2019 1st, Oilers 2019 1st
To Oilers: Kessel

Pens Get absolutely raped in this deal.

 

[Homesick]

To Pens: Skinner, Yamamoto
To Canes: Pens 2019 1st, Oilers 2019 1st
To Oilers: Kessel

No thanks from the Oilers. Pretty obvious that you are a Canes fan

 

[TFHockey]

I assumed when I clicked on this proposal Edmonton was going to give up a ton of futures for someone who has a big contract and isn't going to stay in Edmonton. I wasn't disappointed.

 

[Taytro]

With all due respect, it seems odd to put all your eggs in the ELC basket over a proven elite winger who's better than Yamamoto projects to be in a best-case scenario. ELCs are important, but you have Puljujarvi coming up too. Are you expecting all these guys to hit?

Definetely not expecting them all to hit but they're our best chance at providing impact players at low cost. Edmonton can't sustain a team with another $6mil+ contract long term. That's why we traded ours away for more budget players. ELCs and bridge contracts on NHL players are how you win around your team in 2018. Love kessel and he's better than either of those two pieces, just not a fit in Edmonton with the cap situation. Trust , we would take him if we could. Our wing depth sucks.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

No thanks from the Oilers. Pretty obvious that you are a Canes fan

Guess again.

I assumed when I clicked on this proposal Edmonton was going to give up a ton of futures for someone who has a big contract and isn't going to stay in Edmonton. I wasn't disappointed.

Kessel's signed for 4 more years.

Definetely not expecting them all to hit but they're our best chance at providing impact players at low cost. Edmonton can't sustain a team with another $6mil+ contract long term. That's why we traded ours away for more budget players. ELCs and bridge contracts on NHL players are how you win around your team in 2018. Love kessel and he's better than either of those two pieces, just not a fit in Edmonton with the cap situation. Trust , we would take him if we could. Our wing depth sucks.

Doesn't...really...look like the best move in retrospect. That, and Eberle underwhelmed big time the year he was dealt, so I have to imagine that was a factor.

 

[domaug]

The first deal could potentially work if Kessel was traded to Canes as an intermediary before being moved to Edmonton with retention. However, if that were to occur, we'd want more than two late firsts if we retain. Something like...

To Canes: Kessel, 2019 1st
To Pens: Skinner (50%) retained,

....then after that...

To Canes: JP, 2019 1st
To Oilers: Kessel (50% retained)

why are the Pens adding a 1st to Kessel to get Skinner, even with retention on his remaining year? Carolina has to add.

 

[Djp]

To Pens: Skinner, Yamamoto
To Canes: Pens 2019 1st, Oilers 2019 1st
To Oilers: Kessel

So Yamamoto and Edmonton 1st ti PUT for kessel

Then Pitt sends that 1st and their 1st for skinner??????

Skinner isn’t worth 2 1sts.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

The first deal could potentially work if Kessel was traded to Canes as an intermediary before being moved to Edmonton with retention. However, if that were to occur, we'd want more than two late firsts if we retain. Something like...

To Canes: Kessel, 2019 1st
To Pens: Skinner (50%) retained,

....then after that...

To Canes: JP, 2019 1st
To Oilers: Kessel (50% retained)

As much as I like the Oil, you could probably do a LOT better than JP and a 1st if you're retaining half on him.

 

[LTIR]

Add Lucic going to CAR and its close.

Skinner for 2 1sts +cap dump

 

[bleedgreen]

Why would the Canes ever make a trade for that? Years of Lucic they can’t get rid of either.

Hell no. Nope nope nope nope nope.

We’ll just take one first rounder and a prospect.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

There was a small window in which Lucic made sense for the Canes as there was a need for a player of his ilk as they tried to change the makeup of the lineup and had a contract to dump in Darling/Rask. That window has passed. The Hamilton trade brought in Ferland to fill that void and thinned out the center depth, limiting the motivation to move Rask; Dundon and co. seem intent on giving Darling a second chance.

No longer a fit, imo.