Blackhawks Future rosters

[x Tame Impala]

Off the top of my head...

Definitely gone: Roszie, Brookbank, Khabibulin, Handzus

($6ish mil)

Most likely gone: Oduya, Kruger

(Nearly $5 mil)

The Hawks do not have cap issues now, nor will they when Toews/Kane need to be signed.

"Did I stutter"?"

Lol

 

[here come the]

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Kruger is gone. He's weak and defense only, and his PK capabilities have regressed to the mean, having been overestimated by too many posters on this board. He's a one trick pony on a team with other more well-rounded possibilities in the future.

Of course Kruger is defense only, he starts only 15% of his 5v5 shifts in the offensive zone. And amazingly, he's still a positive possession player so far this year. The burden he takes off the 2nd and 3rd lines is substantial and I think you're severely underestimating his importance to the team. Not to mention that Scotty and Stan are both big fans, and Q trusts him implicitly. With his improved faceoffs, I don't see him going anywhere

 

[HockeySauce]

Kruger could go either way. If he develops into Chicago's third line centre, he'll probably stick around for a couple years.. if he hasn't established himself as Chicago's third line centre by the end of next season, and his contract's up, he'll probably be traded (his rights, anyways) and Danault or someone else will replace him in the bottom-6.

Kruger's importance is and always will be understated. He's the team's stop penalty-killer, and whatever line he's on tends to finish their shifts in the offensive zone - despite, as here come the pointed out, most of his shifts starting in the defensive zone or on Chicago's side of centre ice.

Yes, the Blackhawks PK hasn't been as good this year as it was last year.. but like anything meaningful in hockey, it's a team failure. They don't suck because Frolik left, or because Kruger "regressed"; there's a measure of luck involved and I think quite a few Hawks have a mindset of, because they were so good last year, they'll improve eventually.

 

[Bubba88]

take out Khabbys PK fails and the PK easily ranks in the middle of the league. Still not great but way better looking than now

 

[pvr]

Of course Kruger is defense only, he starts only 15% of his 5v5 shifts in the offensive zone. And amazingly, he's still a positive possession player so far this year. The burden he takes off the 2nd and 3rd lines is substantial and I think you're severely underestimating his importance to the team. Not to mention that Scotty and Stan are both big fans, and Q trusts him implicitly. With his improved faceoffs, I don't see him going anywhere

Kruger could go either way. If he develops into Chicago's third line centre, he'll probably stick around for a couple years.. if he hasn't established himself as Chicago's third line centre by the end of next season, and his contract's up, he'll probably be traded (his rights, anyways) and Danault or someone else will replace him in the bottom-6.

Kruger's importance is and always will be understated. He's the team's stop penalty-killer, and whatever line he's on tends to finish their shifts in the offensive zone - despite, as here come the pointed out, most of his shifts starting in the defensive zone or on Chicago's side of centre ice.

Yes, the Blackhawks PK hasn't been as good this year as it was last year.. but like anything meaningful in hockey, it's a team failure. They don't suck because Frolik left, or because Kruger "regressed"; there's a measure of luck involved and I think quite a few Hawks have a mindset of, because they were so good last year, they'll improve eventually.

There are very few shifts during any game where the puck stays in one zone the whole shift. If a player starts in the offensive end, it's likely the puck will leave the offensive zone at some point, and then it depends on whether the player gets off the ice before or after a zone entry on the offensive or defensive side.

Likewise, the same holds in reverse for a player starting in the defensive zone. It is far more likely that at some point the puck will travel out of the zone. For a player like Kruger, once that happens, his offensively impotent ass skates back to the bench and he's replaced by a far more offensively capable player. He gets credit for pushing the play the other way, but in reality, most any player with more d-zone starts will end up the same.

 

[Marotte Marauder]

There are very few shifts during any game where the puck stays in one zone the whole shift. If a player starts in the offensive end, it's likely the puck will leave the offensive zone at some point, and then it depends on whether the player gets off the ice before or after a zone entry on the offensive or defensive side.

Likewise, the same holds in reverse for a player starting in the defensive zone. It is far more likely that at some point the puck will travel out of the zone. For a player like Kruger, once that happens, his offensively impotent ass skates back to the bench and he's replaced by a far more offensively capable player. He gets credit for pushing the play the other way, but in reality, most any player with more d-zone starts will end up the same.

...and the shift usually ends with Bollig throwing the puck toward the net, goalie freezes it and wait 1,wait 2, wait and 3 Kruger goes to the crease about a second or 2 after the play is over. But he goes to the tough areas.

If he gets there too early it usually results in him being face down on the ice.

 

[topnotch]

Unlikely Seabrook or Sharp get dealt. There is a possibility of the Blackhawks not having $$$ to lock up Saad. They probably will be choosing between him and TT around that time. If both TT and Saad are developed then Sharp is the aging asset that probably could fetch a 1st round pick if not more.

They are two years away from making that decision. Stephen Johns would have to make the team and exceed all expectations. Brent Seabrook is harder to replace than Sharp partially because we don't have an overflow of defensive prospects.

No way to shipping out either Saad or TT. Youth and ELC/2nd contracts are key. Oduya will be gone. Then it prob comes down to if Olsen(who looks good this year) or Johns(beast, NHL-ready now IMO) can replace Seabrook.

Also consider Sharp might be priced out if Morin, McNeill, Saad, TT, ect can become top 6 wingers.

Or Hossa will be put on LTIR and neither 'have' to be moved. Impossible to predict really.

It's unlikely Seabrook gets dealt even with the emergence of Hammer becoming a #2 shutdown defenseman.

The cap will rise to near 70 million next year solving any cap problems in 2014-15. When Toews Kane and Saad require raises the cap will increase again and Oduya, and Rozsival will be off the roster fixing those issues.

Morin, Pirri, Smith, JHayes will not get substantial raises and will all most likely be under 1 million. TT won't need his second contract until the 2017-18 season (due to sliding his ELC for another year).

The question around Seabrook will be what happens to him post 2015-16, after his current contract. Will he be re-signed. The Hawks will be competing in the next 3 years and won't deal Seabrook, and hurt their chances at another Cup, just to gain picks and prospects.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Can't realistically see Seabs being moved unless his play really drops. And by "drops" i mean actually dropping. Not "drops" like how Zac and a few other posters claim it's been dropping for years.

 

[Hawkaholic]

What I hope to see in 2015-16

Saad Toews Kane
Sharp TT Hossa
Bickell K Hayes Shaw
McNeill Danault Hartman
Bollig

Keith Seabrook
Leddy Hjalmarsson
Clendening Johns
Svedberg

Crawford
Raanta/Simpson

 

[Taze em]

What I hope to see in 2015-16

Saad Toews Kane
Sharp TT Hossa
Bickell K Hayes Shaw
McNeill Danault Hartman
Bollig

Keith Seabrook
Leddy Hjalmarsson
Clendening Johns
Svedberg

Crawford
Raanta/Simpson

love it.

 

[pvr]

What I hope to see in 2015-16

Saad Toews Kane
Sharp TT Hossa
Bickell K Hayes Shaw
McNeill Danault Hartman
Bollig

Keith Seabrook
Leddy Hjalmarsson
Clendening Johns
Svedberg

Crawford
Raanta/Simpson

I'm not sure that there has been any team roster in the last 20 years that had all but two players (Sharp and Hossa) drafted by that same team. Not likely to happen, but would be amazing if it did.

 

[KareemTrustfund]

Krugsie and Teravainensie are future studsies. Quenvillesie will make sure they get a pat on the bum or a slap on the bum, if need be.

 

[here come the]

There are very few shifts during any game where the puck stays in one zone the whole shift. If a player starts in the offensive end, it's likely the puck will leave the offensive zone at some point, and then it depends on whether the player gets off the ice before or after a zone entry on the offensive or defensive side.

Likewise, the same holds in reverse for a player starting in the defensive zone. It is far more likely that at some point the puck will travel out of the zone. For a player like Kruger, once that happens, his offensively impotent ass skates back to the bench and he's replaced by a far more offensively capable player. He gets credit for pushing the play the other way, but in reality, most any player with more d-zone starts will end up the same.

Of the 30 regulars in the NHL with the lowest percentage of offensive zone starts, only Kyle Turris, Clark MacArthur, and Jesse Winchester have a better Corsi on than Kruger. Kruger also faces the toughest competition. Not many players do what Kruger does. So "in reality" most any player can't do what Kruger does, especially against quality competition.

 

[Nothingman*]

What I hope to see in 2015-16

Saad Toews Kane
Sharp TT Hossa
Bickell K Hayes Shaw
McNeill Danault Hartman
Bollig

Keith Seabrook
Leddy Hjalmarsson
Clendening Johns
Svedberg

Crawford
Raanta/Simpson

Hellz Yeah!

 

[Kurtosis]

I'm not sure that there has been any team roster in the last 20 years that had all but two players (Sharp and Hossa) drafted by that same team. Not likely to happen, but would be amazing if it did.

Leddy wasn't either, but still a good point.

 

[MTP]

Leddy wasn't either, but still a good point.

Raanta wasn't drafted by the Hawks either.

 

[BobbyJet]

What I hope to see in 2015-16

Saad Toews Kane
Sharp TT Hossa
Bickell K Hayes Shaw
McNeill Danault Hartman
Bollig

Keith Seabrook
Leddy Hjalmarsson
Clendening Johns
Svedberg

Crawford
Raanta/Simpson

That's a Cup winner on paper. Not sure about Bollig. If we can afford him, perhaps Shaw instead? - and we will be lucky if Hossa can stay healthy and play top 6 minutes at that time, but it looks pretty good.

 

[pvr]

Leddy wasn't either, but still a good point.

Raanta wasn't drafted by the Hawks either.

Ok, ok...Missed a couple.

Still, would be an insane "homegrown" team, and even leaves off a couple of reasonable possibilities for the team.

 

[Taze em]

New 2014 roster

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
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FORWARDS
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Brandon Saad ($0.764m) / Teuvo Teravainen ($0.925m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Bryan Bickell ($4.000m) / Andrew Shaw ($2.000m) / Kris Versteeg ($2.200m)
Jeremy Morin ($0.761m) / Marcus Kruger ($1.325m) / Ben Smith ($0.633m)
Brandon Pirri ($0.660m) /
Mark McNeill ($0.863m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($4.100m) / Johnny Oduya ($3.383m)
Nick Leddy ($2.700m) / Michal Rozsival ($2.200m)
Adam Clendening ($0.743m) /
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($6.000m)
Antti Raanta ($1.400m)
BUYOUTS
Steve Montador ($0.000m)
Rostislav Olesz ($0.000m)
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[EbonyRaptor]

Now with the re-aquisition of Versteeg, I'll do the 2014/15 forwards this way:

Saad-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Teravainen-Hossa
Bickell-Shaw-Versteeg
Danault-Kruger-McNeill
Bollig/Ross

 

[Marotte Marauder]

There are very few shifts during any game where the puck stays in one zone the whole shift. If a player starts in the offensive end, it's likely the puck will leave the offensive zone at some point, and then it depends on whether the player gets off the ice before or after a zone entry on the offensive or defensive side.

Likewise, the same holds in reverse for a player starting in the defensive zone. It is far more likely that at some point the puck will travel out of the zone. For a player like Kruger, once that happens, his offensively impotent ass skates back to the bench and he's replaced by a far more offensively capable player. He gets credit for pushing the play the other way, but in reality, most any player with more d-zone starts will end up the same.

...and the shift usually ends with Bollig throwing the puck toward the net, goalie freezes it and wait 1,wait 2, wait and 3 Kruger goes to the crease about a second or 2 after the play is over. But he goes to the tough areas.

If he gets there too early it usually results in him being face down on the ice.

Saw 4 shifts exactly like above last night and didn't even see the end of regulation.

 

[Blue Liner]

Ok, ok...Missed a couple.

Still, would be an insane "homegrown" team, and even leaves off a couple of reasonable possibilities for the team.

Leddy may not be homegrown in every sense of the word but a homegrown player was dealt to get him and his entire pro career has started and developed here so he's damn close to homegrown in my world.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Really interested to see how our roster will shake out if Pirri, Saad, and Tuevo are all playing great and competing for 2 top 6 spots.

 

[Nothingman*]

Really interested to see how our roster will shake out if Pirri, Saad, and Tuevo are all playing great and competing for 2 top 6 spots.

Right. But that would be a great problem to have You might not see so much Smith/Bollig/Kruger which could be a good thing.

 

[ChiGuySez]

Im not worried about the Hawks forwards prospects. Its how fast the d prospects can develop. Hoping Clendening and Johns will be ready but who knows. Leddy is still regarded by Q as a project defensively.