Confirmed with Link: Bill Armstrong is the new GM of the Coyotes
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I hope shit starts happening fast and furious now.
1. Armstrong named President of Hockey Ops - Sullivan named GM
2. Maybe they convince Burke to be AGM and run Tucson so he can finally land a GM job in the future...who knows?
3. Make the Kuemper and OEL deals
4. Fire Tocchet and hire Van Ryn the next day.
1. Armstrong named President of Hockey Ops - Sullivan named GM
2. Maybe they convince Burke to be AGM and run Tucson so he can finally land a GM job in the future...who knows?
3. Make the Kuemper and OEL deals
4. Fire Tocchet and hire Van Ryn the next day.
If I can adjust that fourth point... Hire Van Ryn and assistant coach Scott Allen. Have Scott Allen fire Tocchet.
rt
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Listen, I’m not saying because he’s never been the boss of a whole hockey team that means he can’t be a great boss of a whole hockey team. I’d just much, much rather choose a candidate that has experience running a whole team, and having demonstrated success doing so.
This feels an awful lot like hiring a really great assistant coach from a really great team, rather than a guy with a bunch of minor pro and junior success of head coaching.
This is like hiring Rick Tocchet instead of Todd Nelson. Very, very similar. Tocchet did one thing really well and won a lot. Armstrong is the same. Like Tocchet, his resume is very specialized.
However, Bill Armstrong is not Rick Tocchet. They have nothing at all to do with one another and one’s failure is in no way the other’s promise. I understood and respected the decision to hire Tocchet. I regret it now, but that’s pure hindsight.
Bill Armstrong would be my third choice of the names mentioned. And my sixth or seventh choice if I had my pick of the whole field.
But I’m just guessing. And he might be great. Hiring him still feels like dodging a bullet. Even if I’d have just gone with Sullivan.
This feels an awful lot like hiring a really great assistant coach from a really great team, rather than a guy with a bunch of minor pro and junior success of head coaching.
This is like hiring Rick Tocchet instead of Todd Nelson. Very, very similar. Tocchet did one thing really well and won a lot. Armstrong is the same. Like Tocchet, his resume is very specialized.
However, Bill Armstrong is not Rick Tocchet. They have nothing at all to do with one another and one’s failure is in no way the other’s promise. I understood and respected the decision to hire Tocchet. I regret it now, but that’s pure hindsight.
Bill Armstrong would be my third choice of the names mentioned. And my sixth or seventh choice if I had my pick of the whole field.
But I’m just guessing. And he might be great. Hiring him still feels like dodging a bullet. Even if I’d have just gone with Sullivan.
rt
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I might literally scream with glee. The kind where you fold your fingers down On both hands and press your nails into your lips, and do that shaking, high pitched glee scream. Like a tween meeting a Jonas brother. Or like an anime.
RemoAZ
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Who's actually making the decision to hire the GM? We have an owner and his buddy with zero hockey experience. That's definitely a cause for concern. That's why I'd prefer they hire a guy to run the hockey ops with actual hockey experience and let him hire the GM.
Jormungandr
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I hear you - but I would look at it more as kind of a management tandem between Armstrong and Sullivan. That’s if what I think is happening is actually happening. If he’s President and Sully is GM then you’re not asking either one of them to go it alone. They’d each have their main roles but they’d be running the whole team together. It would be even sweeter getting to add a guy like Burke to bounce ideas off of as AGM.
How many owners actually have hockey experience though? And wouldn't the same guys with no experience hiring a GM be the same guys with no experience hiring a Pres of Hockey Ops?
Cool.
Now we wait to learn if Armstrong is a Tocchet man or a Sullivan man. Or neither, I suppose.
They are losing Petro, not in the cards I think.
RemoAZ
Let it burn
Yeah but the GM has to build the roster and prospect pool. That guy needs to be the best person in the organization imo. Having an experience executive working with him on contract negotiations would be nice too. I don't like the fact that Chayka was in both roles. Too much on one guy.
That's what I would have done, but they are getting help from the NHL. I would prefer a proven successful experienced GM, not another rookie, but money is a concern with this virus BS, and that is probably why RT is coach next year.
There are only like 7 or 8 teams that use the Pres Hockey Ops and GM model. Too many cooks I'd guess.
We do need to fill out or hockey ops department for the people below Armstrong though. Hofford, Goldberg, and potentially but hopefully not Sullivan.
We do need to fill out or hockey ops department for the people below Armstrong though. Hofford, Goldberg, and potentially but hopefully not Sullivan.
Possible keeping Sullivan was a condition of the job. Would explain the candidate list.
RABBIT
wasn’t gonna be a fan but Utalked me into it
rt
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There is no chance that’s happening. Billy Armstrong is the GM and Steve Sullivan is extremely likely resign and go manage another team (keep an eye on Nashville).
rt
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It really doesn’t seem that far fetched. The main reason I think there’s a chance that Sully gets the GM title and Armstrong President, is because he’s been working on deals for the team’s two best assets. At the very least you have to think he’s sticking around as AGM/VP of Ops. How can you let a guy trade your two best chips and then walk? Doesn’t add up.
Mixed feelings here. I believe this is a 0 on my point scale. If we hire MVR and Sullivan stays on in so e capacity I am much happier. Obviously if Armstrong is a great GM and navigates this draft and offseason like a boss than I will eat crow. I had somewhat talked myself into Burke being alright due to his roster build philosophy (not putting too much stock in analytics), potential drove in being a GM and all around experience. Armstrong seems like a great scout, which is obviously a huge first step. Exciting prospect, but this organization needs some experience too. Overall will be happy we didn't hire a complete shmuck and will be eager to see what he does to right this ship.
rt
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rt
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Same.
This feels so much like Tocchet right down to Armstrong’s lack of eloquence and big bruising oaf persona. But we just lived through an extremely well-spoken guy who expresses himself perfectly and had no redeeming interpersonal qualities at all in Chayka and that was a f***ing disaster.
If you adopt the strategy of hiring the “next one” from every champion on a regular basis, it seems more likely than not to pay off. Tocchet has been an absolute bust, but that may be the exception rather that the rule. Kind of like the old joke around here if throwing out your draft list and just taking the best available London Knight. Sounds overly simplistic but the joke was that for a while, we’d have been better off. Lol.
rt
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Ah. Yeah. AGM and VP could happen. I actually hope so. I want Sullivan around. Especially if it helps get Tocchet out. Doubly so if it get Mike Van Ryn in.
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