Best players outside 500 goals club?

[vadim sharifijanov]

Huh?

107 GP - 41 G - 70 A - 111 PTS

during a two season span ('94/'95 and '95-'96) that preceded his retirement by THREE seasons somehow made a huge difference in his career PPG totals and qualify as "compiler seasons tacked onto the end?" Give me a break.

huh? no idea what you're trying to say here.

 

[RECsGuy*]

huh? no idea what you're trying to say here.

You said Nicholls padded his career stats at the end of his playing days. Can you back up this claim? B/c that's a pretty big swipe at a guy's legacy. After '90-'91, 8 seasons before his retirement, he only had two PPG seasons ('94-'95 and '95-'96) the rest of the way, which hardly counts as "compiling." If anything, his time in San Jose hurt his offensive legacy, having settled into a mentor/bottom 6 role with the Sharks in his twilight.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Tony Amonte

Averaged 40 goals a season through the heart of the dead puck era (96-01)

Finished with 416

 

[markrander87]

Norm Ullman, Brian Bellows, Sergei Federov

 

[begbeee]

Tony Amonte, good pick, but he is not worthy 500 goals. His four hundred is fair enough for him.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

You said Nicholls padded his career stats at the end of his playing days. Can you back up this claim? B/c that's a pretty big swipe at a guy's legacy. After '90-'91, 8 seasons before his retirement, he only had two PPG seasons ('94-'95 and '95-'96) the rest of the way, which hardly counts as "compiling." If anything, his time in San Jose hurt his offensive legacy, having settled into a mentor/bottom 6 role with the Sharks in his twilight.

the idea behind compiling is that the career point total adds up with the years, but do not contribute to a meaningful body of work.

 

[RECsGuy*]

the idea behind compiling is that the career point total adds up with the years, but do not contribute to a meaningful body of work.

Had Bernie won a Stanley Cup, would you then consider his body of work "meaningful?" Don't tell me you're one of those guys. HHOFer Mike Gartner had fewer 100-pt. seasons, never matched Nicholls's 70-goal season, and the lone highlight of his career (seventeen 30-goal seasons, yet hit 50 once; rewarded for being consistent, not elite) is the very definition of compiling.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Had Bernie won a Stanley Cup, would you then consider his body of work "meaningful?" Don't tell me you're one of those guys. HHOFer Mike Gartner had fewer 100-pt. seasons, never matched Nicholls's 70-goal season, and the lone highlight of his career (seventeen 30-goal seasons, yet hit 50 once; rewarded for being consistent, not elite) is the very definition of compiling.

sorry, i will stop talking about your dad.

 

[RECsGuy*]

sorry, i will stop talking about your dad.

You're, what? 10 years old? Or is this your way of throwing up the white flag and admitting that you are too full of **** to carry this debate any further?

 

[begbeee]

RECsGuy: Nicholls is often underrated, but you are overrating him a lot.

 

[RECsGuy*]

RECsGuy: Nicholls is often underrated, but you are overrating him a lot.

i never made the leap to calling nicholls a HHOF, but please tell me how i am overrating him?

 

[begbeee]

You are cherrypicking his seasons. When you look at his career as a whole picture is pretty damn sure his 70 goals were biggest fluke in NHL history in terms of total goals in a season.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

You're, what? 10 years old? Or is this your way of throwing up the white flag and admitting that you are too full of **** to carry this debate any further?

okay fine, let's do this. my original claim was that nicholls is basically maruk with bigger career totals because he stuck around for longer. another comparable would be turgeon (i.e., good point producer, put up decent but hardly legendary points in the playoffs, not really a true difference-maker in non-scoring aspects of the game, not HHOF calibre). can you make a case that he is demonstrably better than those two? i am open to a coherent argument; but i am not as receptive to defensive and insulting responses.

i like and respect nicholls and agree that his larger body of work is often underrated due to his one big season. but, as i said, i don't think he is a hall of famer, which is what the best players outside the 500 goal club are.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

You are cherrypicking his seasons. When you look at his career as a whole picture is pretty damn sure his 70 goals were biggest fluke in NHL history in terms of total goals in a season.

Playing with Gretzky, not a fluke at all.

Bernie could always score. He did manage 405 other goals in his NHL career.

Also, the fact that he had 80 assists that season shows that he wasn't just tapping in feeds from The Great One. He was only 18 points behind Gretz with a much better +/- (+30 to +15).