Best defensemen professionally scouted by Benning regime?

[ChilliBilly]

Yeah...I don't disagree. But until he has disappointed us, he hasn't actually disappointed us. OEL could be argued the same way, but he cost a top ten draft pick, so I feel that is already disappointing.

Not really. I suspect we could have had OEL for nothing. The 1st went to getting Garland and dumping salary. And JB really should have managed to get ARZ to keep another $1M of salary.

 

[Siludin]

No it’s different now guys, trust me. The defence is fine. We have former Norris contender OEL and “right handed Tanev” in Tucker Poolman.

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[Hit the post]

No it’s different now guys, trust me. The defence is fine. We have former Norris contender OEL and “right handed Tanev” in Tucker Poolman.

don't forget "A young Kesler" in Dickinson.

 

[Rick Rocket]

Where's Olli

 

[Love]

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Haha I know, I don’t think I explained myself well. I was referring to seeing someone call Poolman a “right handed Tanev” and how I though it was funny because obviously Tanev is right handed.

 

[FroshaugFan2]

For the longest time it was Sanguinetti. Fedun is up there as well.

 

[Pure West]

If you're asking about a good pro-scouting pick that performed over and above expectation/contract I'd say it is either Fantenberg or Schenn. Schmidt is the best defenseman skill-wise he's acquired, but he's a 6 million dollar defenseman who wasn't exactly an unknown.

I wish he was able to find a diamond in the rough that could be a more significant part of the team and not just a 6/7 one year fix. But that hasn't happened yet.

 

[Cogburn]

Not really. I suspect we could have had OEL for nothing. The 1st went to getting Garland and dumping salary. And JB really should have managed to get ARZ to keep another $1M of salary.

I am still thinking it was a group deal. I agree more retention would have made the deal a little more palpable, but given the choice between Poolman and his meager upside, for cap space, and OEL, who in addition to more cap space and being part of a package for our 1st, I think Poolman would have been preferable to most here. Plus I only get one choice.

 

[LaVal]

Schmidt over OEL?

Cap hit and contracts can always be debated of course, but pure ability and skill... Wow. (yeah, I've read the garbage takes from various "analytics" guys as well.)

OEL has yet to play a game for Vancouver. Most people are taking the thread as best defensemen as a Canuck, rather than defensemen with the highest pedigree.

 

[Hit the post]

OEL has yet to play a game for Vancouver. Most people are taking the thread as best defensemen as a Canuck, rather than defensemen with the highest pedigree.

NoGoodBranSuck was drafted 3rd overall so I'd imagine his pedigree was pretty high. Doesn't change the fact he was completely horrible AND overpaid (vs say a Brandon Sutter who was just overpaid).

 

[Blackjackz]

Tramkin.. I believe he was a pro in the KHL when he was drafted...

But in all seriousness, I would have to say Nate Schmidt.. Nate's skillset was poorly utilized by the 'Nucks...

 

[Dala]

OEL has yet to play a game for Vancouver. Most people are taking the thread as best defensemen as a Canuck, rather than defensemen with the highest pedigree.

Thanks, makes sense.

Thought there was a twilight zone type of universe in here otherwise (ie current ability)

 

[ChilliBilly]

Actually, I think Tryamkin should be on the list, and probably the worst squandered player by Benning and Willie. He should still be playing here, and they just screwed up the whole situation.

 

[bossram]

This is an incredible list. One credible top-four player here, and he hated the Benning/Green environment so much he waived his NTC to get out after a single season.

I guess in terms of value, Schenn is the best? Uh, yikes.

 

[KingofSurrey]

Not really. I suspect we could have had OEL for nothing. The 1st went to getting Garland and dumping salary. And JB really should have managed to get ARZ to keep another $1M of salary.

OEL was a throw in ....

LIke when i order sushi and the girl there always asks if i want a free Miso Soup.....


Terrible negotiated contracts like OEL and Myers are now pretty much untradeable.

 

[F A N]

OEL was a throw in ....

LIke when i order sushi and the girl there always asks if i want a free Miso Soup.....

Go to a high end Sushi place and you likely won't ever be asked if you want Miso soup (free or paid).

 

[KingofSurrey]

Go to a high end Sushi place and you likely won't ever be asked if you want Miso soup (free or paid).

Go to a high end hockey team... and you likely won't see OEL wearing their jersey... free or paid.......

 

[VanJack]

Trading for impact d-men is almost impossible....everybody values them. So signing a guy as a UFA is virtually the only way of upgrading your blueline. But to do that, you usually have to 'overpay' in terms of both dollars and term.

The only real way to seriously upgrade your blueline is through the draft. But after eight drafts of the Benning regime, other than Hughes and maybe Rathbone, the well has been dry. It's not for lack of trying. The Canucks have expended a plethora of mid-to-late round picks on d-men. And they've signed a bunch more guys as college UFA's.

That's why Tryamkin is kind of depressing. A third round draft pick who could be decent depth defender at the very least. But the Canucks have consistently dropped the ball with this player, and now he's gone.

 

[Cornwallace]

Trading for impact d-men is almost impossible....everybody values them. So signing a guy as a UFA is virtually the only way of upgrading your blueline. But to do that, you usually have to 'overpay' in terms of both dollars and term.

The only real way to seriously upgrade your blueline is through the draft. But after eight drafts of the Benning regime, other than Hughes and maybe Rathbone, the well has been dry. It's not for lack of trying. The Canucks have expended a plethora of mid-to-late round picks on d-men. And they've signed a bunch more guys as college UFA's.

That's why Tryamkin is kind of depressing. A third round draft pick who could be decent depth defender at the very least. But the Canucks have consistently dropped the ball with this player, and now he's gone.

Ironically I think Tryamkin's closer to being the type of defenseman that Benning envisioned when he signed Myers

Now we've lost him for nothing and added another anchor contract

 

[MS]

Schmidt is probably better than every other player on this list combined.

And he hated playing for this mess, and immediately demanded a trade.

 

[KingofSurrey]

Schmidt is probably better than every other player on this list combined.

And he hated playing for this mess, and immediately demanded a trade.

Yup, when your only top 4 D man on your club wants to be traded.... you know the club is a hot mess.

 

[Gstank]

Yup, when your only top 4 D man on your club wants to be traded.... you know the club is a hot mess.

Ummm Hughes says hello

 

[KingofSurrey]

Ummm Hughes says hello

Yah, i agree Hughes is and an up and comer... but at this point until he can handle in front of his own net.... he is still a 3-4 D man and a PP specialist..... pretty much the same of OEL right now...

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Beeeeeesbahhhh


Didn’t he keep mentioning the above name in tons of interviews last year and the year before as a guy he thought would make the NHL?


What happened to him?

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Ummm Hughes says hello

Hughes cannot defend at an AHL level. He’s a decent forward tho.