Bjorn Le
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Of course it's flawed. Your using the reasoning that because Murphy was ranked Top 5 at some point months before the draft by independant agencies, it somehow confirms that he has more upside than Brodin. That alone, just doesn't work. Why did he fall? What did Brodin rise? Why did Brodin go higher?
You cannot simply use a draft ranking to prove a point when you categorically ignore the draft results.
Before you say we are twisting your words. We are not. You have questioned Brodin's "elite upside" based on his draft position. Well the player you think has higher upside, was drafted below. I don't see how you don't see the utter ridiculous of this.
I haven't speculated anything. So the above is irrelevant. Your speculation is basically your own opinion. Your opinion cannot be construed as reputable, given you do not know where NHL teams had him ranked, given you are assuming draft position somehow definitively predicts potential.
I haven't discussed any players or their abilities. I have responded to something which i see as fundamentally flawed. You used a false, contradicted measurement of potential.
Do you not read and understand what you write? Only explanation for the above.
During the time surrounding the draft? What does this mean? Nothing. The only thing to look at our draft results. What you percieve to be hype, or the things you heard months before are not that relevant.
If Bordin had elite potential he'd have gone higher, or atleast recieved consideration for such? Well firstly, you don't know whether he recieved consideration, given you don't access to such knowledge. Consideration is impossible to measure given we'd need to talk to NHL teams about their rankings.
Secondly, i'd suggest going 10th overall, he must be pretty highly regarded. He didn't go 100th .... he's a high 1st round pick. Anyway, Murphy went after, yet he has potential?
BUT IF MURPHY HAD ELITE POTENTIAL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE HIGHLY REGARDED AND HE WOULD HAVE GOT CONSIDERATION.
.... See. See how the above is absolutely ridiculous.
Developed to a significant level based on whose opinion? Brodin had an excellent season and looks to be a sure fire impact NHL defender.
Upside isn't merely offensive, and there are various ways to bring a big and important contribution to a team. Of course it isn't statistical measurable, so it becomes sexier to simple side with offensive totals.
Percieved by who? You base your opinions on draft rankings and media hype, given how else would you form an opinion of Brodin?
I percieve Brodin to have elite NHL upside. I think he can become a world class defender. I don't think he'll be producing 50-60 point seasons regularly, but then such totals aren't required to be an elite NHL defenseman.
The problem you seem to have is you think projections and views on prospects remain stationary. Unfortunately, they do not.
You really need to stop seperating posts into 7 different sections. It's not worth the hassle to reply to it all.
I'll address a few things quickly, I don't want to waste team getting into a pitching match.
I'm not reffering to agencies ranking Murphy in the top 5, I'm reffering to reports that he's a top 5 talent and could go, not an ISS whatever ranking. We never heard any reports talking about Brodin in the same way.
I still don't know what the **** you're talking about with:
Secondly, i'd suggest going 10th overall, he must be pretty highly regarded. He didn't go 100th .... he's a high 1st round pick. Anyway, Murphy went after, yet he has potential?
You've said that in two straight posts and it's pure nonsense. You're clearly not reffering to anything in my posts. When you said the above is "absolutely ridiculous", it's because you can't decipher a single thing you said. It's broken english, it makes no sense.
I never said Brodin didn't have potential, I said he doesn't have elite potential, and that guys like Larrson/Hamilton/Murphy do, and just because Brodin went 10th doesn't mean he has more. Brodin was and still is a safe pick for that, Murphy had concerns that could hurt his chance to reach his potential, and that's why he dropped to 12th. Hamilton likely the same reasons.
Nobody talked about Brodin's "elite" potential (These boards are the first place you'll hear it), but they did with Murphy/Larsson/Hamilton. You're speculating by saying it could have happened.