Best American Center Right Now

[Pyrophorus]

There’s this article
By the Numbers: Jack Eichel vs. Auston Matthews - TSN.ca
I can skip to the end for you, the last line is
“Matthews has been good this season, but Eichel has been even better”

For sure on Dec, 17th of last year.
Certainly not the full season, or not this one at all.

 

[Dache]

Doesn’t having
Tavares help Matthews, because Tavares takes harder minutes and matchups, which frees up AM for a more offensively minded role?
Eichel is taking on everything.
Matthews is at almost 70% o zone starts with only about 30% d zone.
Tavares is at 64% d zone starts, so he’s (a great player) taking really hard minutes from AM

Eichel is at 58% o zone and 42% d zone.
And who is the Sabre centre that takes that burden of playing the hard minutes, like Tavares does for Matthews?

I would have expected a bigger jump in the standings with adding Tavares and the breakout year Marner had, for sure.

 

[Dache]

For sure on Dec, 17th of last year.
Certainly not the full season, or not this one at all.

Dec 17 2019 is this season. You know that right?

 

[Pyrophorus]

Dec 17 2019 is this season. You know that right?

...then not the full one.

 

[Dache]

...then not the full one.

The full season isn’t even over yet, you’re setting awful specific criteria. I wonder why?

 

[Pyrophorus]

The full season isn’t even over yet, you’re setting awful specific criteria. I wonder why?

No you are. Strange how YOU didn't mention the date. YOU didn't say this was a 1/2 season review-which it is.
What's your agenda?
Not a full season, anyway you slice it-there is no doubt that December playoff team Sabres Jack Eichel would be better.
As time went on, the normal trend took place.

 

[Holymakinaw]

To me, those stats clearly show Eichel is better.

LMAO. Makes sense.

 

[Holymakinaw]

You said no one outside of here picks Eichel first and I showed you otherwise. That’s all

I said no LEGIT hockey mind's analysis has Eichel ahead. Whatever you posted was not legit.

 

[Semoner403]

Voted Iofallo cause f this poorly masked Matthews vs eichel poll

 

[Seras]

I read an article once

 

[6ix]

Matthews is a better goal scorer but a guy like Eichel can take over a game in more ways. And I’d rather have my centres setting up others and making everyone around them better than just scoring goals

Odd post. Matthews was closer in assists to Eichel than Eichel was to Matthews in goals.

Matthews scoring goals with a wicked shot doesn’t make his teammates better by getting them assists, yet Eichel giving them a pass to potentially score makes them better. LOL.

I guess you’d also rather have your centre be below average on face offs and questionable on defense like Eichel too.

 

[Dache]

No you are. Strange how YOU didn't mention the date. YOU didn't say this was a 1/2 season review-which it is.
What's your agenda?
Not a full season, anyway you slice it-there is no doubt that December playoff team Sabres Jack Eichel would be better.
As time went on, the normal trend took place.

I said no LEGIT hockey mind's analysis has Eichel ahead. Whatever you posted was not legit.

What I posted was from TSN. Give me a break.

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

If the Olympics started tomorrow. Who is the #1 center for USA?

 

[Fatass]

Anyone find Matthews v Eichel PK minutes from 2019/20? All I can find is Eichel had a short handed goal.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Anyone find Matthews v Eichel PK minutes from 2019/20? All I can find is Eichel had a short handed goal.

It's negligible. Eichel averaged 18 seconds per game of PK time, Matthews 3 seconds per game.

 

[danpantz]

Anyone find Matthews v Eichel PK minutes from 2019/20? All I can find is Eichel had a short handed goal.

https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/toron...sort=8&time=0&pos=0&team=0&qual=0&sortOrder=0

Matthews averaged 2 seconds short handed per game.

https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/buffalo-sabres-team-stats?season=2019&category=ICE+TIME&time=0

Eichel averaged 17 seconds.

Neither really kill penalties frequently

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs-team-stats?season=2019&category=ICE TIME&group=1&sort=8&time=0&pos=0&team=0&qual=0&sortOrder=0

Matthews averaged 2 seconds short handed per game.

https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/buffalo-sabres-team-stats?season=2019&category=ICE+TIME&time=0

Eichel averaged 17 seconds.

Neither really kill penalties frequently

Naturalstattrick has slightly different numbers, but the point still holds.

 

[danpantz]

Naturalstattrick has slightly different numbers, but the point still holds.

I'd probably trust their numbers more than fox sports. But they are only a second off it looks like.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Nobody has ever been convinced of anything on these forums with advanced stats.



So I changed my vote to Larkin just to piss off both Matthews and Eichel supporters.

You guys are too triggered.

This is a thread on a hockey forum on the internet. You guys doing the statistical models of research, and digging into advanced metrics, need to take a breath.

 

[Fatass]

It's negligible. Eichel averaged 18 seconds per game of PK time, Matthews 3 seconds per game.

Thanks.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Voted Iofallo cause f this poorly masked Matthews vs eichel poll

It's a series of polls. Did you miss all of them? You threw away a vote not understanding the purpose of the thread.

 

[Holymakinaw]

What I posted was from TSN. Give me a break.

They only used stats from THIS year.

Obviously, Matthews is the better Centre. Look at all four years he's been in the league. He blows Eichel away if you don't cherry pick ONE season's stats. That article is garbage. Hell, even if you use this season's stats only, it's super arguable.

 

[Pyrophorus]

What I posted was from TSN. Give me a break.

If I mentioned partial stats, you would never give me one.

 

[Pyrophorus]

They only used stats from THIS year.

Obviously, Matthews is the better Centre. Look at all four years he's been in the league. He blows Eichel away if you don't cherry pick ONE season's stats. That article is garbage. Hell, even if you use this season's stats only, it's super arguable.

Not even the entire year, hell not even a half a year. As I said no doubt John was better, with a team playing better at that
period. Eventually this all changed.

 

[LeafsNation75]

I would have expected a bigger jump in the standings with adding Tavares and the breakout year Marner had, for sure.

Since Toronto went 0-2 in the shootout that season and not 7-2 like they did 1 year before, that's partially why they didn't jump any higher in the standings despite not falling in the standings. Plus they were also unlucky not to have caught Boston who had winning streaks of 7 in a row and 6 in a row, which explains why they finished 7 points behind them in the Atlantic.