Injury Report: Bertuzzi to IR (out six weeks), Czarnik recalled

[MBH]

So it's actually a yes, as long as it's 5 years. That's crazy to me, why would you trade Larkin but keep Bertuzzi, if you are moving Larkin then you should be moving Bertuzzi as well, who is a year older. Since you worry so much about Larkin's final years.

It's just ass backwards thinking.

Already told you.
1. Larkin is going to make far more.
2. Larkin's contract is 3 years longer.

On the back end of a deal, I'd rather get stuck with 1 bad overpaid year at $7M than 2-3 bad years at $9.5M.

How do you not understand a concept so f***ing simple.

 

[norrisnick]

Already told you.
1. Larkin is going to make far more.
2. Larkin's contract is 3 years longer.

On the back end of a deal, I'd rather get stuck with 1 bad overpaid year at $7M than 2-3 bad years at $9.5M.

How do you not understand a concept so f***ing simple.

Because your premises are bad?

1. Larkin is going to make far more because he is a far better player in a far more important position. On and off the ice.
2. Larkin is younger and far healthier.

The odds of a 5x7 going bad for Bertuzzi far outweigh the odds of an 8x9.whatever going bad for Larkin.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Already told you.
1. Larkin is going to make far more.
2. Larkin's contract is 3 years longer.

On the back end of a deal, I'd rather get stuck with 1 bad overpaid year at $7M than 2-3 bad years at $9.5M.

How do you not understand a concept so f***ing simple.

It's not that I don't understand what you are saying, it's that you are saying it at all with conviction.

 

[jaster]

This is such a disingenuous sample size. Check his opponents.

MTL
NJD when the fans were chanting fire Lindy, pre hot streak
ANA
SJ
CBJ
NSH
AZ
TOR
BUF

It's like Henkka's small sample sizes earlier this season that were showing Pius Suter was the Wings best forward through 12 games or whatever. Sample sizes this small are less than meaningless. And being advanced stats makes it worse, because not only is it missing the same context as regular stats, but by virtue of being "advanced stats," it makes people think it carries more weight, or is more "right." It doesn't, and it isn't.

Please all, stop abusing statistics. They are defenseless and don't deserve it. You are recklessly causing trauma.

 

[jaster]

Already told you.
1. Larkin is going to make far more.
2. Larkin's contract is 3 years longer.

On the back end of a deal, I'd rather get stuck with 1 bad overpaid year at $7M than 2-3 bad years at $9.5M.

How do you not understand a concept so f***ing simple.

Cool, let's just sign a roster of average players to cheap 1- and 2-year contracts. Really minimize that risk. Don't need to worry about "overpaid years."

Choosing a replaceable winger over a non-replaceable center, who happens to be the captain, all because of the possibility that Larkin could have more "overpaid" years than Bertuzzi is, well, it's stupid. Colossally stupid, even for you.

 

[norrisnick]

Cool, let's just sign a roster of average players to cheap 1- and 2-year contracts. Really minimize that risk. Don't need to worry about "overpaid years."

Choosing a replaceable winger over a non-replaceable center, who happens to be the captain, all because of the possibility that Larkin could have more "overpaid" years than Bertuzzi is, well, it's stupid. Colossally stupid, even for you.

Hey, be cool. It's not stupid. It's willfully contrarian. There's a difference.

 

[MBH]

It's not that I don't understand what you are saying, it's that you are saying it at all with conviction.

Bertuzzi has maybe $7M ugly dollars at the end.
Larkin has maybe $30M ugly dollars.

 

[jaster]

Hey, be cool. It's not stupid. It's willfully contrarian. There's a difference.

I wish I had artistic skill. I'd make a drawing of a field of hills, with a contrarian dying on each of them, and title it, "Condensed timeline of the life and times of MBH."

 

[norrisnick]

Bertuzzi has maybe $7M ugly dollars at the end.
Larkin has maybe $30M ugly dollars.

Why are you assuming Bertuzzi's contract can only be ugly at the end? Two of his last three seasons are shaping up to be absolute dumpster fires.

This season alone he'll miss more games than Larkin has in his career.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Why are you assuming Bertuzzi's contract can only be ugly at the end? Two of his last three seasons are shaping up to be absolute dumpster fires.

This season alone he'll miss more games than Larkin has in his career.

Yeah 5 years of 7 mil Bertuzzi at this rate we will be lucky to get two seasons out of him.

I'm also looking at how the team has played without Bertuzzi and they seem fine? With the emergence of Kubalik, Berggren, and Perron. Obviously you wish 30 goal Bertuzzi was in the lineup, but I have a feeling if we were missing Larkin we would be an absolute trainwreck in comparison.

 

[13to40]

Wouldn’t mind at all exploring the option to trade Bertuzzi when he is back and healthy. Try to maximize on whatever value he holds and hopefully a playoff team sees him as the last missing piece for their long run.

I would not feel comfortable signing him to a longer contract for a bigger dollar sign. He’s often injured and his play style on the ice never ages well for any player.

I’ve been a huge fan of his since he got drafted (I loved uncle Todd when he was a wing too) but with that being said, I don’t think it’s for the best interest for the Red Wings franchise to extend him to one of those long 7-8M$ contracts

 

[norrisnick]

Wouldn’t mind at all exploring the option to trade Bertuzzi when he is back and healthy. Try to maximize on whatever value he holds and hopefully a playoff team sees him as the last missing piece for their long run.

I would not feel comfortable signing him to a longer contract for a bigger dollar sign. He’s often injured and his play style on the ice never ages well for any player.

I’ve been a huge fan of his since he got drafted (I loved uncle Todd when he was a wing too) but with that being said, I don’t think it’s for the best interest for the Red Wings franchise to extend him to one of those long 7-8M$ contracts

Convince the Leafs that Bert is their ticket out of the 1st round. Rough and tumble Ontario boy. Just needs a chance on a good team to shine.

 

[Henkka]

Wouldn’t mind at all exploring the option to trade Bertuzzi when he is back and healthy. Try to maximize on whatever value he holds and hopefully a playoff team sees him as the last missing piece for their long run.

And finally it will be, Red Wings who will see him as the important playoff piece.

Why are you assuming Bertuzzi's contract can only be ugly at the end? Two of his last three seasons are shaping up to be absolute dumpster fires.

This season alone he'll miss more games than Larkin has in his career.

Yep.

More and more it will probably be a bargain contract, because nobody is giving him anything significant.

Funny how doom and gloom people tend to be. Yzerman hasn't f***ed up with any caphit yet.

Bertuzzi could have high points per game -rate, but also games played will mean, total minutes will mean, etc. He's not anyhow perfect and his corona-attitude also did hurt his future deal. Lost 10 games for nothing.

It will be Red Wings benefit to extend him.