Proposal: bern's NYR blueprint April 2021

Discussion in 'Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk' started by bernmeister, Apr 8, 2021.

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  1. nbwingsfan Registered User

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    Why would DeAngelo get a 2nd when no one wants him for free?
     
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    sign Jagr instead:
     
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    Yes, yes, yes, yes, you've completely lost it... most of these are terrible for the opposite team, and even the ones that are close(Min/Car) I'd say still favors NYR, lower these expectations buddy :)
     
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    Wild aren't trading prospects, or 1st round pick @ deadline. They aren't adding Ryan strome

    Guerin has made it clear his view is long term, not the now. He also made it clear he's not trading either 1st round picks
     
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    I don't think he'll move either pick, but when has he said anything like this?
     
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    Im just happy Jets was not involved.
     
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    In all of those cited proposals, I feel confident that the other side would balk at trading a first rounder. To include Buffalo, a team a lot further away from contention than NYR, in this group is insane.

    I don't get trade proposals. Put a lot of time and effort into penning a screed in which you overrate your assets and get pilloried by the peanut gallery as an inveterate homer.
     
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    Most are terrible for the other team and favors NYR? Most of these are just bad for both side but most don't favor NYR.

    The buffalo trade is terrible for both teams. Buffalo says no and NYR says no just as quick.
    Both teams say no on the DeAngelo (nobody wants DeAngelo) trade ,but that's just awful for NYR. We're going to take on more cap hit in Stralman? Yeah, no.

    Strome being trade for a 1st isn't really that great for NY. Hardly a terrible trade for the other team involved (unless we're still going to toss out how Stome is not a good player these days?) Let's call it close but it doesn't really favor NYR. Neither does the Carolina trade. The only trade here that completely favors NYR is the Edmonton one.
     
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    Does panarin come with strome to make him good?
     
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    Only for one year also
     
  11. bernmeister Registered User

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    I invited all comment incl fair criticism.
    That said, your reply in a vacuum is not objective as to value.

    Look at how well those 2 are playing.
    Look at the cost; just barely over minimum.
    And that these are not just rentals this yr only, but same rate nxt yr.

    THEN on top of that, that is not 2 2nds this yr.
    There is some delayed gratification.

    So I disagree.
    EDM can stand pat, or it can make a measured investment in known commodities for this season and next at min, w/options to extend beyond if that is a good fit for all.
     
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    haters gonna hate.

    let's show an open mind, if we can.
    feel free to evaluate the OP on merits
     
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    pls be mo specific
    took pains to provide rationale
     
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    It was with Russo on Kfan last week, & it was recently written about
     
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    you want a first and two seconds for Rooney and Blackwell? In a world where Kyle Palmeiri and Zajac return a first combined, this is absolute madness.

    I want a handy from ScarJo and frankly I like my chances better.
     
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    Minnesota Edmonton buffalo says no easily
    Not so easily.
    MIN was 50-50 a month ago which is not even close to an easy no, and I want an update from their base.
    EDM I also want to hear, not sure what moves they can make w/like zero cap, so this is a reasonable alternative if you look at the production vs the cost and all factors
    Buf depends on if Lindgren is a fit or not.

    I’ll leave the Carolina trade for their fans but I’m guessing a no.
    That was also close to 50-50, mo like 60-40 yes, we'll see.

    Also don’t understand your fascination with trading buch.
    It's called math.
    We have no urgency to move him now, but unless he does not want to get paid he has to be moved. That's not a hard concept to understand.
    If a team gives us more for him now b'c it helps down the stretch, why turn that down?

    Deal 5 why not just buyout tony d at the end of the season
    B'c this is an alt for FL
    Stralman is more expensive, same term, less likely production.
    And if it doesn't work out, is cheaper to buy out.

    Given what has happened I can understand no to little interest in ADA, but w/Ekblad broken leg, this is not a bad stopgap for them.

    It is not unreasonable for NY to ask a drop of something to do that deal.
    Both are being exposed in exp dr
    and both may get bought out.
     
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    I heard the KFAN interview but don't remember anything about not moving picks. Guerin mostly just tells Russo "no comment" whenever he brings this stuff up live.
     
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    Totally off.
    stats show guy has played ballpark like top 10 C on good $ incl thru next season.

    How is he not worth at least a 1st?

    And people talk about my valuation of players...
     
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    mostly agree except ADA returns little

    my pt on Lindgren is he would help at LD now at cost of future, so BUF might bite.
    maybe not.
    Lindgren is exiting elc
    there is less financial pressure to move him, particularly now.

    If Jones is "another Fox" as was recently suggested, then given $$ to Zib etc, Lindy may have to get moved in 2-4 years.
    I would consider it now if Sabes were paying.
    Otherwise, happy to keep him.
     
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    Count the Oilers out . We don’t have a 2nd this year . Also I am sure we could do better .
     
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    1. disagree a righty shot C who can effective RW, currently top 10 stats, good $, also same sweet deal next season, is not worth a 1st.
    Pls explain that.

    2. If you look at the value, the production v. cost, also fact second 2nd is delayed return for an immediate asset, it is not unreasonable. Also Oil has zip cap room.
    Again pls explain.
    Or do you think EDM only needs one not the other?

    3. Lindgren now exiting elc is worth a 1st. I agree not this yrs 1st, but Buf needs help NOW or it resigns itself to increased likelihood Eich goes. So following yr at earliest with pick protection is fair.

    4. Buch we basically concur

    5 The idea is Panthers may get dozen or so games out of ADA on the cheap at min, then costs less to buy him out than Stralman. Also outside chance ADA shines, or is attractive enuf for Kraken that saves FL from losing dif asset.

    So it's not a big deal but possibly worthwhile.
    I agree the ADA-Stralman deal w/+s is meh.
     
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    1 - without a true replacement I don't see the Rangers having any appetite to move Strome for pure futures. I don't think the value is off, but I'm not seeing the benefit this season. Next year at the TDL if there is no movement on an extension or he doesn't fit into the Rags cap structure, but if you see this is the high value point for Strome it makes sense.
    2 - I'm requesting a piss test, cause you high!
    3 - Buffalo isn't trading their 1st in the next 2 seasons, especially for a 2nd pairing Dman (Lind for all his skills is not supplanting Dahlin. Ullmark is as good an option as Gio - so don't see this happening in any capacity.
    4 - Buch is probably worth that price, but Carolina needs inexpensive forwards more than a winger looking for a big raise. The Canes have also come out and stated they are looking to add a RHD with term, if the Canes are going to use assets like their 1st and Drury they are more likely to use them on a D than another winger. Canes traded away their 1st last year, I don't know if they have the interest in lose another - as an up and coming cup contender they will need entry level cap hits to help off set large raises required for Svech, Hamilton (or his replacement), goaltending (starter and back up).
    5 - I don't see the Panthers wanting to take on ADA and I don't see the Rangers wanting to take on AS's $5+ cap hit for next season.
     
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    I explained rationale for moving RS

    Vitali CAN PLAY PIVOT.
    I get they want to break him in easy, but he has the skills to do that, and while limited, experience and confidence as well.
    Why be close minded and not give it a try?
     
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    I would just start out by saying Kravtsov’s played very little at center. I think he played a few games at a WJC but that’s about it. To my mind he’s not a center and the idea of taking a young player unfamiliar with a position from a very good league and having him step up to the best league in the world in that position they’re not use to playing at the same time is a recipe for disaster. Young talented players should be put in situations they can succeed at. If they’re use to playing wing leave them there.

    Apart from that the Rangers have enough on their plate to figure out as far as young players, prospects and draft picks. We don’t really need tons more of draft picks at this point in time which when you’re trading for real players like Lindgren, Strome, Buchnevich and Georgiev only puts off the day when your team is ready to contend which is to say there is already a blueprint and another one’s not necessary.
     
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    I appreciate the thoughtful, detailed responses.
    Will try to pick this up in about 24 hrs.
    Thanks.
     
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