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Per HFB policy, OP establishes parameters of thread.
Rangers bluest blue chips are part of the core, are necessary to provide depth and downward pressure vs hard cap on team payroll. Not available.
Please share as to values below. Feel free to tweak. If either team has better options, pls suggest.
1. NYR-MIN
Strome + OTT 2021 4th
for
better of 2021 1sts [MIN-PIT] and of 2021 3rds [MIN-PIT] + acceptable expiring cap dump(s).
Rationale:
Wild want a C, pref w/righty shot
Strome does not fit long term $ timetable, and Krav is already here w/Barron no later than next season. Fits like hand in glove.
The above was approx 50-50 in a thread from like a month ago. Latest head count?
Alternates BOS, MON maybe CGY, possibly ANA
2. NYR-EDM
Rooney + Blackwell
for
EDM 2021 + 2022 2nds
cap should be small enuf to not require player coming back for cap balance.
Oil say they want more production, better defense from bottom 6. Rooney + Blackwell have excelled, are dirt cheap close to min and thru next season. If this works out, Oil get dibs on further extension. EDM getting both now, only giving one pick this yr, delayed gratification on that second 2nd to NY next draft.
NY needs to capitalize on its new found ability to draft well, and that starts by adding picks/improving slotting of picks. This is best way to continue adding quality elcs, which provides immediate down pressure vs salary cap of team payroll, but also adds to assets potentially available for trade.
Note: the above assumes Oil prefer to create just over 1.5 cap internally, which immediate savings benefit to Rangers is part of the deal [along w/delayed gratification on using the future pick]. It also assumes Rangers have enuf bodies to quality for exposure to expansion draft. I believe they have more moves they can make in that regard if necessary. However, this deal could be expanded if necessary into a larger package: add a 2023 2nd from Oil, along w/Turris [1.65 thru next yr] or say Archibald [1.5 thru next yr]; Rangers add OTT 2021 4th.
{complete version 2 is thus:
Rooney + Blackwell + OTT 2021 4th
for
EDM 2021, 2022 + 2023 2nds + Turris or Archibald}
3. NYR-BUF
LDs Lindgren elc + exp dr exempt Rykov elc + Smith expiring 4.35 at half = 2.175 + + G Georgiev + return of BUF 2021 3rd + NYR 2021 3rd
for
cap dump expiring G Hutton 2.75 next season + RD Oskari Laaksonen, .853,333 x 3 elc + BUF 2021 2nd and 2022 1st [top 15 protected 1 yr only]
cap bal: not ballpark neutral but close enuf to doable but NYR can take expiring cap dump if nec.
Analysis and cap: While Geo is inconsistent, stonewalling great clubs one night and suffering case of the yips on others, he is useful if Ulmark dealt/does not return. Huska is cheap backup and while nothing to brag about is a depth upgrade over Hutton, who has vision problems. Prize piece here is Lindgren, sacrifice of him is a major wince for Rangers. I would want something like a 10-12OA min for the elc def sound, clear the crease partner for our best backliner, 1RD Fox, so I view Lindy as good enuf to be 1LD material. Lindy, with Dahlin, and Rykov competing on 3LD, could resolve the notorious LD prob Sabres have, and with emerging RD prospects, means existing RD vets like Risto, may be possible to have their value repurposed which helps with other needs, hopefully to enough extent to turn the BUF ship around to at least keep Eich happy and on board. Smith is only stopgap til Rykov arrives, but then adds depth as 7th D and/or 4th line W. He is certainly not renewed at 4.35, but he may show enuf to add a min 750 extension.
BUF will not like the price, but while good drafting = build = resolution to problems long term, partial surrender of picks for some help now is only other way to avoid dealing Eichel soon, or dealing Dahlin for a haul to keep Eichel.
The two 3rds this yr are overly generous for 2nd this yr, given Lindy now is worth a better 1st now, and that is being delayed for a whole yr, and has an insurance clause vs it.
Rangers moving Lindy really hurts, but the higher picks will be useful regardless of whether or not Eichel is eventually moved. Thank God, we have K’A Miller as our 1LD (even if he plays usually 2LD w/Trouba). So Hajek, who has come along nicely, will show if he can jump up from 3LD to 2LD. We have Reunanen we are trying to get mins for, and on top of that Robertson soon after and Jones knocking on the door after that. This deal gives us a good pick for Lindy and buys mins we need to apply to see where our emerging elc (Ds) are. Laaksonen will get shipped out for grooming. If w/Nils L and then 2-3 yrs hence Schneider keep right side unavailable, before then we can either flip him, or try him at RW. We give primo mins to Shesty w/Kinkaid, can do 4 games cup o coffee on Wall, let him have NHL taste. NYR deep in net long term.
4. NYR-CAR
No retention on Buch, Canes offer full cap relief, so:
Drury + 2021 1st
for
Buch
Immediate scoring help on super cheap help at 3.25 entering final rfa. Cost is reasonable w/flat cap likely to be 5ish for coupla yrs before big raise.
Drury is a good bet on the C prospect our base wants.
2021 1st = a useful asset.
5. Deangelo + for Stralman +
Stralman replaces Deangelo as exp draft exposed player.
Deangelo can be bought out cheap. This is essentially a rental if Panthers want to go there [given Ekblad broken leg]. The +s on both sides will be minimal, just enough to be worth it.
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Held in abeyance: Zib. Key is if he goes only 4 yrs if we do 8.5ish. If yes, great! If no, we have to make him a rental, but that is not until next yr.
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GRAND CONCLUSION OF ALL DEALS FOR NYR
Kakko - Kravtsov - Panarin
Kreider - Zib - stopgap DiGuiseppe now, then Barron*
LaF-Chytil- Gautier
_______ - Howden -Gettinger
reserve: tbd
* if a stud righty shot scorer emerges for stopgap RW [like Ovechkin 1 yr only at max, that would be a horror show defending Kreider-Zib-Ovie, but only 1 yr, do not want any deal w/term], then Barron can start at 4C.
Hajek-Fox
K’A M - Trouba
Reunanen-Nils L
reserve: Robertson, Jones
Shesty
Kinkaid
[give Wall 4 games cup of coffee which does not trigger elc, etc.]
Exp draft
Exempt: Kakko, LaF, Kravtsov, Nils L, Fox, KAM, Shesty
7 protected Fs: Panarin, Kreider, Zib, Chytil, Gautier, 2 slots available
3 protected Ds: Hajek, Trouba, 1 slot available
1 protected G: slot open
min/+ exposed Fs and Ds:
Fs: Howden, DiGuiseppe, Greco,
Ds: Deangelo/Stralman, Bitteto, Geersten
G: Kinkaid
something like dat.
Rangers bluest blue chips are part of the core, are necessary to provide depth and downward pressure vs hard cap on team payroll. Not available.
Please share as to values below. Feel free to tweak. If either team has better options, pls suggest.
1. NYR-MIN
Strome + OTT 2021 4th
for
better of 2021 1sts [MIN-PIT] and of 2021 3rds [MIN-PIT] + acceptable expiring cap dump(s).
Rationale:
Wild want a C, pref w/righty shot
Strome does not fit long term $ timetable, and Krav is already here w/Barron no later than next season. Fits like hand in glove.
The above was approx 50-50 in a thread from like a month ago. Latest head count?
Alternates BOS, MON maybe CGY, possibly ANA
2. NYR-EDM
Rooney + Blackwell
for
EDM 2021 + 2022 2nds
cap should be small enuf to not require player coming back for cap balance.
Oil say they want more production, better defense from bottom 6. Rooney + Blackwell have excelled, are dirt cheap close to min and thru next season. If this works out, Oil get dibs on further extension. EDM getting both now, only giving one pick this yr, delayed gratification on that second 2nd to NY next draft.
NY needs to capitalize on its new found ability to draft well, and that starts by adding picks/improving slotting of picks. This is best way to continue adding quality elcs, which provides immediate down pressure vs salary cap of team payroll, but also adds to assets potentially available for trade.
Note: the above assumes Oil prefer to create just over 1.5 cap internally, which immediate savings benefit to Rangers is part of the deal [along w/delayed gratification on using the future pick]. It also assumes Rangers have enuf bodies to quality for exposure to expansion draft. I believe they have more moves they can make in that regard if necessary. However, this deal could be expanded if necessary into a larger package: add a 2023 2nd from Oil, along w/Turris [1.65 thru next yr] or say Archibald [1.5 thru next yr]; Rangers add OTT 2021 4th.
{complete version 2 is thus:
Rooney + Blackwell + OTT 2021 4th
for
EDM 2021, 2022 + 2023 2nds + Turris or Archibald}
3. NYR-BUF
LDs Lindgren elc + exp dr exempt Rykov elc + Smith expiring 4.35 at half = 2.175 + + G Georgiev + return of BUF 2021 3rd + NYR 2021 3rd
for
cap dump expiring G Hutton 2.75 next season + RD Oskari Laaksonen, .853,333 x 3 elc + BUF 2021 2nd and 2022 1st [top 15 protected 1 yr only]
cap bal: not ballpark neutral but close enuf to doable but NYR can take expiring cap dump if nec.
Analysis and cap: While Geo is inconsistent, stonewalling great clubs one night and suffering case of the yips on others, he is useful if Ulmark dealt/does not return. Huska is cheap backup and while nothing to brag about is a depth upgrade over Hutton, who has vision problems. Prize piece here is Lindgren, sacrifice of him is a major wince for Rangers. I would want something like a 10-12OA min for the elc def sound, clear the crease partner for our best backliner, 1RD Fox, so I view Lindy as good enuf to be 1LD material. Lindy, with Dahlin, and Rykov competing on 3LD, could resolve the notorious LD prob Sabres have, and with emerging RD prospects, means existing RD vets like Risto, may be possible to have their value repurposed which helps with other needs, hopefully to enough extent to turn the BUF ship around to at least keep Eich happy and on board. Smith is only stopgap til Rykov arrives, but then adds depth as 7th D and/or 4th line W. He is certainly not renewed at 4.35, but he may show enuf to add a min 750 extension.
BUF will not like the price, but while good drafting = build = resolution to problems long term, partial surrender of picks for some help now is only other way to avoid dealing Eichel soon, or dealing Dahlin for a haul to keep Eichel.
The two 3rds this yr are overly generous for 2nd this yr, given Lindy now is worth a better 1st now, and that is being delayed for a whole yr, and has an insurance clause vs it.
Rangers moving Lindy really hurts, but the higher picks will be useful regardless of whether or not Eichel is eventually moved. Thank God, we have K’A Miller as our 1LD (even if he plays usually 2LD w/Trouba). So Hajek, who has come along nicely, will show if he can jump up from 3LD to 2LD. We have Reunanen we are trying to get mins for, and on top of that Robertson soon after and Jones knocking on the door after that. This deal gives us a good pick for Lindy and buys mins we need to apply to see where our emerging elc (Ds) are. Laaksonen will get shipped out for grooming. If w/Nils L and then 2-3 yrs hence Schneider keep right side unavailable, before then we can either flip him, or try him at RW. We give primo mins to Shesty w/Kinkaid, can do 4 games cup o coffee on Wall, let him have NHL taste. NYR deep in net long term.
4. NYR-CAR
No retention on Buch, Canes offer full cap relief, so:
Drury + 2021 1st
for
Buch
Immediate scoring help on super cheap help at 3.25 entering final rfa. Cost is reasonable w/flat cap likely to be 5ish for coupla yrs before big raise.
Drury is a good bet on the C prospect our base wants.
2021 1st = a useful asset.
5. Deangelo + for Stralman +
Stralman replaces Deangelo as exp draft exposed player.
Deangelo can be bought out cheap. This is essentially a rental if Panthers want to go there [given Ekblad broken leg]. The +s on both sides will be minimal, just enough to be worth it.
-------
Held in abeyance: Zib. Key is if he goes only 4 yrs if we do 8.5ish. If yes, great! If no, we have to make him a rental, but that is not until next yr.
-------
GRAND CONCLUSION OF ALL DEALS FOR NYR
Kakko - Kravtsov - Panarin
Kreider - Zib - stopgap DiGuiseppe now, then Barron*
LaF-Chytil- Gautier
_______ - Howden -Gettinger
reserve: tbd
* if a stud righty shot scorer emerges for stopgap RW [like Ovechkin 1 yr only at max, that would be a horror show defending Kreider-Zib-Ovie, but only 1 yr, do not want any deal w/term], then Barron can start at 4C.
Hajek-Fox
K’A M - Trouba
Reunanen-Nils L
reserve: Robertson, Jones
Shesty
Kinkaid
[give Wall 4 games cup of coffee which does not trigger elc, etc.]
Exp draft
Exempt: Kakko, LaF, Kravtsov, Nils L, Fox, KAM, Shesty
7 protected Fs: Panarin, Kreider, Zib, Chytil, Gautier, 2 slots available
3 protected Ds: Hajek, Trouba, 1 slot available
1 protected G: slot open
min/+ exposed Fs and Ds:
Fs: Howden, DiGuiseppe, Greco,
Ds: Deangelo/Stralman, Bitteto, Geersten
G: Kinkaid
something like dat.
