News Article: Bergevin leaks out interesting information

[CH25]

Bergevin has the final say in trades but whoever scouts for him must be really good.

 

[sandysan]

"Back when he was in Chicago, Bergevin knew more about rookies than he does now"

Wut? That's not a good thing, at all. I'm surprised he'd say something like this. Did the article actually say he knew less than he does now? Cause, I'd be worried about player development for most of our rookie players. This seems really odd and I'm quite skeptical that's what he said.

wasnt he assistant gm in chicago ? mabey that's one of the job responsibilities and now that he's gm he's transitioned onto other aspects.

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

"Back when he was in Chicago, Bergevin knew more about rookies than he does now"

Wut? That's not a good thing, at all. I'm surprised he'd say something like this. Did the article actually say he knew less than he does now? Cause, I'd be worried about player development for most of our rookie players. This seems really odd and I'm quite skeptical that's what he said.

I don,t know if I worded it accurately. But it's more about each year's prospect that he doesn't have the time to follow them all anymore.

 

[Habskrieg]

Trevor Timmons and Martin Lapointe are the guys who are much more involved in the development of the prospects. Not Bergy.

He said rookies though. Which leads me to believe rookies, such as Tinner and Brolo. I'm just suprised he said he knows less than he used to.

 

[Whitesnake]

"Back when he was in Chicago, Bergevin knew more about rookies than he does now"

Wut? That's not a good thing, at all. I'm surprised he'd say something like this. Did the article actually say he knew less than he does now? Cause, I'd be worried about player development for most of our rookie players. This seems really odd and I'm quite skeptical that's what he said.

Bergevin just said in his interview that he rarely sees the Dogs. So I would bet he never saw Koberstein play either this year.....And frankly, it's not his job. He appointed other people to do that. He better talk to those people though before he trades kids he rarely see play.....No need for another McDonagh trade....

 

[DJ Breadman]

Doesn't use analytics on his own players, well that explains a lot of the stupid coaching decisions

 

[Ezpz]

Bergevin was director of player personnel for two years in Chicago, of course he knew their rookies better.

 

[Agnostic]

Says who? I've never read this criteria for a GM. The reason why I've never read it is that it's not the criteria.

By your own admission in an earlier post, a scout may have seen a junior player play 10-15 times whereas a GM has maybe seen that junior player a handful of times. The same applies to pro scouts and GMs on a given pro player.

In both instances, the GM is responsible for his staff, and trusts his staff to provide sufficient information in order to make sound decisions. In both instances, a poor staff will reflect poorly on the GM, and a good staff will reflect well on the GM. That's the essence of a hierarchical management system, and it is the very purpose of a General Manager position.

Then there's Glen Sather , who trades for players he admits he's never seen play.

Hierarchical structures have detailed knowledge at the lower levels and accountability at the higher ones, but every once in a while an ego comes into play that turns the system into disarray. You know, the lone wolf GM who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. I think we all have examples of that type.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

Which GM wouldn't sleep well at night knowing they have Carey Price as their starting goaltender?

 

[MrNasty]

I use that example often, but when we saw the 2005 draft, you know what Gainey's input was towards Timmins when Timmins said he was going with Price? Gainey said..."Are you sure?". So yep, the GM has the last say, problem with that is that the last say is 9.9out of 10 times..."Do what you want, you know those guys, I don't".

I recall an interview with Timmins years ago...or perhaps it came from Grant...but I recall Timmns having Price and another player ranked similarly and the organization was debating the pick. Gainey told Timmins to go with the goalie.

 

[Mike8]

Then there's Glen Sather , who trades for players he admits he's never seen play.

Hierarchical structures have detailed knowledge at the lower levels and accountability at the higher ones, but every once in a while an ego comes into play that turns the system into disarray. You know, the lone wolf GM who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. I think we all have examples of that type.

Sure. In any instance, the GM is ultimately responsible.

 

[Rise from the Ashes]

His comment about "knowing more about rookies when he was with Chicago" only means that his role was probably to scout younger players playing overseas or in the AHL more. He has a much broader role now and can't simply focus on upcoming talent. That is why he promoted Trevor Timmins to Director of Player Personnel.

 

[CHarlie]

I know Galchenyuk missed a whole year but when you are picking 3rd overall and a player of his caliber is available,,,, the defence you are coveting better be something else........and Reilly aint that..........

Thank god for Trevor Timmins.

 

[Bob b smith]

I know Galchenyuk missed a whole year but when you are picking 3rd overall and a player of his caliber is available,,,, the defence you are coveting better be something else........and Reilly aint that..........

Thank god for Trevor Timmins.

I see you're from Ontario. You know Leafs fans grudgingly would prefer having AG right now. Even though they like Reilly.... Just imagine if the shoe was on the other foot, all the gloating we'd always be hearing. Our top roster players have always been crushed by their borderline NHLers in prospect polls. Imagine all the good times we'd have if Galchenyuk dropped to them.

 

[DAChampion]

Galchenyuk might have busted in Toronto so who knows.

 

[jaffy27]

A CEO wants to buy a jet. His CFO tells him he'll put the company in severe debt if he goes ahead with the purchase. The final decision is still the CEO's.

Under these circumstances, if he buys the jet, the CEO would be KIA

 

[CHarlie]

Galchenyuk might have busted in Toronto so who knows.

Theres no bust in that man!!

 

[Habs]

TT would be absolutely crucified for the Reilly pick right now.

Why is that? Reilly is poised to become a franchise blueliner, if Toronto plays their cards right. That kid is awesome, has all the tools to be a great player.

AG is a terrific young talent too, but it's a lot easier to sign a UFA to fill the goal scoring area, than fix a blueline.

 

[Ezpz]

Why is that? Reilly is poised to become a franchise blueliner, if Toronto plays their cards right. That kid is awesome, has all the tools to be a great player.

AG is a terrific young talent too, but it's a lot easier to sign a UFA to fill the goal scoring area, than fix a blueline.

It really isn't. With guys hitting UFA at 27 that's when a lot of dman hit their prime and the vast majority of forwards are past their peak.

 

[hf27]

Then there's Glen Sather , who trades for players he admits he's never seen play.

Hierarchical structures have detailed knowledge at the lower levels and accountability at the higher ones, but every once in a while an ego comes into play that turns the system into disarray. You know, the lone wolf GM who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. I think we all have examples of that type.

Like he never saw McDonagh play before trading Gomez for him...lol

 

[Bob b smith]

Why is that? Reilly is poised to become a franchise blueliner, if Toronto plays their cards right. That kid is awesome, has all the tools to be a great player.

AG is a terrific young talent too, but it's a lot easier to sign a UFA to fill the goal scoring area, than fix a blueline.

Number 1 problem is that Galchenyuk's further along in his development curve. We see more of what he was projected to be than Reilly.

It's very hard to foresee where a player will end...but the bigger problem is he doesn't fill in traditionnal models for a Franchise 1 D
-He's not the big, 2 way, big-shot player that excels in all situation (for example, Shea Webber, Chris Pronger)
-He's very mobile and he's a smooth skater. He doesn't have a big shot so he can't help the PP that way. He's working on using his body more. He doesn't look naturally mean or tough. He's not big..
He reminds me of Phil Housley in skating up and down the ice but he hasn't shown that he has close to as much finishing ability.

 

[Grant McCagg]

Apparently? where is this info coming form? Doesn't sound like something Bergevin would say in regards to Reilly. The business of Hockey what and where?

 

[Grant McCagg]

Galchenyuk might have busted in Toronto so who knows.

???? You really think the would have drafted/not drafted a player based on their combine? Come on.

 

[Michelangelo]

Apparently? where is this info coming form? Doesn't sound like something Bergevin would say in regards to Reilly. The business of Hockey what and where?

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/534440272831066112

Chris Johnston
‏@reporterchris
Marc Bergevin says he liked Morgan Rielly in the 2012 draft, but listened to scouts with the Alex Galchenyuk pick.

 

[Frozenice]

I know Galchenyuk missed a whole year but when you are picking 3rd overall and a player of his caliber is available,,,, the defence you are coveting better be something else........and Reilly aint that..........

Thank god for Trevor Timmins.

Rielly missed most of the year, too.

Rielly is a very good player, don't get the hate for him and Murray got here and that was happening before the draft and continues to this day.