OT: Bears & NFL Talk 96

[ClydeLee]

Just new it was gonna happen. Young and the panthers pushing hard at the 2 minute mark, then he threw a pick 6. Feels like it'll stay 20-3 Minshew led Colts over the Bears free pick.

 

[Sarava]

Bryce Young with a pick 6. 27-10 Colts over Panthers - near the start of the 4th quarter.

 

[Backyard Hockey]

Basically an undrafted rookie unknown who played at an unknown scrub college played like an undrafted rookie unknown

 

[MarotteMarauder]

Bagent sucks. When does Fields get back?

He's no better, check their stats.

 

[Sarava]

Bagent did some good things today. And he did even more bad things. It's probably safe to say Bagent cost the Bears the game.

Some other things - Velus Jones needs to be released. Move on from this dude. Everything he touches turns to poop. I'm tired of him.

And Eberflus - why dont they ever seem to win close games? The 2 wins from 9 games this year were blowouts - against Washington and Vegas. The last win in last year's season was the blowout against the Patriots in Foxboro. But all these close games- and there's a been a bunch of them, they always lose them.

I get that the talent is spotty in the midst of a rebuild. But here we are yet again in a game the Bears probably carried the play a bit and found a way to lose as always. He's like the anti-Lovie Smith. Lovie used to win tons of games where the Bears were outplayed. Now we have the opposite problem.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Holy cow, Eagles imploding.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Didn't implode all the way, though.

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

Blackhawks ice a team of fourth liners and a generational talent- "tank bro"

Bears field a team garbage with an injured generational QB- "fire everyone"

 

[Panzerspitze]

Embarrassments versus triumphs: How to conduct an honest performance review of the Chicago Bears

Maybe, if what the leaders at Halas Hall are selling has substance, the Chicago Bears may truly be ready to enter the on-ramp toward meaningful progress. If, as Bears general manager Ryan Poles ass…

www.chicagotribune.com

"The Bears’ difficulties in finding common ground with Johnson further cloud the discussion. The team’s divorce from star linebacker Roquan Smith via a midseason trade in 2022 have also heightened a perception in some league circles that the team has flaws in its negotiation processes and struggles to take care of homegrown talent."

Hmmmm, not that far into his second season, someone has already developed such a reputation in the League. It's hard to doubt those league circles: Signing new-shiny "long" Sweat to an extension while still leaving Jaylon Johnson in the lurch, after slighting and trading Roquan Smith but having no hesitation giving less productive but "long" Tremaine Edmunds basically an equivalent contract for still less production.

 

[Panzerspitze]

To address @Illinihockey's question from

OT: - Bears & NFL Talk 95

shheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh So it's exactly like I said when the trade was made? Shocking.

forums.hfboards.com

1. I stated "interior OL", excluding the tackles Darnell Wright, Larry Borom (who's done a decent job when called upon, from what I read), and Braxton Jones.
2. Nate Davis got a two-year deal. So in two years, he's gone. Besides, so far in his brief Bears stint, he's about as oft-injured/unavailable as Teven Jenkins, if not more so.

And this just in (to me):
Bears keep riding QB roller coaster as Tyson Bagent spirals and they wait for Justin Fields

"Every offensive lineman except Teven Jenkins committed a false-start or holding penalty. In the third quarter, Lucas Patrick and Braxton Jones got flagged for holding on the same play before Jones followed with a false start."

Great collection of OL there.

 

[Panzerspitze]

Wrong `fit’ for Hatley

Mark Hatley walked away from the Bears on Monday without another job in the NFL, fed up with what had become an increasingly poor fit. “It’s time for me to move on,” Hatley said. …

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It seemed Mark Hatley fired himself after going 19-45 (.297). The current regime is batting .192, and it's not in baseball. To just catch Hatley, this regime would have to go a lofty 15-27 the rest of the way (remainder of '23, plus '24, '25). Ryan Pace is ROFLMAO somewhere.

Meanwhile, the GM thought he's "75-80%" done rebuilding and the HC keeps saying they're close. I'm not even seeing the duo getting the basic competency out of the talent on the roster, never mind getting out the "best". Case in point, what have the two "long" rookie DTs shown in the 30-year defensive specialist's scheme?

 

[MarotteMarauder]

He's no better, check their stats.

Fields last 5 full games (not counting the injury game)

60/106 57% 3 TD 4 INT 66.1 Rating

Bagent's 1st 5 games of his career

74/110 67.3% 3TD 6 INT 70.9 Rating

I wonder what Bagent's numbers would be AFTER 3 training camps and 30 games like Fields has played.

Think he may improve?

 

[hawksrule]

Fields last 5 full games (not counting the injury game)

60/106 57% 3 TD 4 INT 66.1 Rating

Bagent's 1st 5 games of his career

74/110 67.3% 3TD 6 INT 70.9 Rating

I wonder what Bagent's numbers would be AFTER 3 training camps and 30 games like Fields has played.

Think he may improve?

One can just tell when a qb has “it”, and he doesn’t.

 

[clydesdale line]

It's a shame we can't put Bagent's brain on reading a defense and not having tunnel vision into Fields elite physical abilities or vice versa.... we'd have one of the best QBs in the game.

 

[TLEH]

We don't have a QB on this roster for next year, I will tell you that.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

how did poles do zero due diligence on stroud...let him cook i guess

 

[Illinihockey]

To address @Illinihockey's question from

OT: - Bears & NFL Talk 95

shheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh So it's exactly like I said when the trade was made? Shocking.

forums.hfboards.com

1. I stated "interior OL", excluding the tackles Darnell Wright, Larry Borom (who's done a decent job when called upon, from what I read), and Braxton Jones.
2. Nate Davis got a two-year deal. So in two years, he's gone. Besides, so far in his brief Bears stint, he's about as oft-injured/unavailable as Teven Jenkins, if not more so.

And this just in (to me):
Bears keep riding QB roller coaster as Tyson Bagent spirals and they wait for Justin Fields

"Every offensive lineman except Teven Jenkins committed a false-start or holding penalty. In the third quarter, Lucas Patrick and Braxton Jones got flagged for holding on the same play before Jones followed with a false start."

Great collection of OL there.

3 year deal for Davis

 

[Jdavidev]

Fields last 5 full games (not counting the injury game)

60/106 57% 3 TD 4 INT 66.1 Rating

Bagent's 1st 5 games of his career

74/110 67.3% 3TD 6 INT 70.9 Rating

I wonder what Bagent's numbers would be AFTER 3 training camps and 30 games like Fields has played.

Think he may improve?

Yeah, those aren't close to Fields correct stats

62%, 11 TD, 5 INT 92 rating

 

[Pez68]

Fields last 5 full games (not counting the injury game)

60/106 57% 3 TD 4 INT 66.1 Rating

Bagent's 1st 5 games of his career

74/110 67.3% 3TD 6 INT 70.9 Rating

I wonder what Bagent's numbers would be AFTER 3 training camps and 30 games like Fields has played.

Think he may improve?

Not with that noodle arm.

Also, what the hell stats are you looking at? His last two games before injury he had 8 TD, 1 INT, and a 125+ QBR...

 

[bwanajamba]

Fields last 5 full games (not counting the injury game)

60/106 57% 3 TD 4 INT 66.1 Rating

Bagent's 1st 5 games of his career

74/110 67.3% 3TD 6 INT 70.9 Rating

I wonder what Bagent's numbers would be AFTER 3 training camps and 30 games like Fields has played.

Think he may improve?

I don't think Fields is the long-term answer but I also don't think making up stats is a good strategy here. He literally threw 4 TDs in two of those five games. Hopefully most people who read this have a memory that can stretch all the way back to a month ago.

 

[MarotteMarauder]

Yeah, those aren't close to Fields correct stats

62%, 11 TD, 5 INT 92 rating

Not with that noodle arm.

Also, what the hell stats are you looking at? His last two games before injury he had 8 TD, 1 INT, and a 125+ QBR...

I don't think Fields is the long-term answer but I also don't think making up stats is a good strategy here. He literally threw 4 TDs in two of those five games. Hopefully most people who read this have a memory that can stretch all the way back to a month ago.

My bad (had a couple of screens open and goofed up-DOH)

 

[Romang67]

I might buy tickets for Thursday's game. I've never been to an NFL game, and what better one to go to than a game between the two worst teams in the league battling it out in 45 degree weather?

 

[ndgt10]

Important for bears to win to keep the number 1 pick alive.

 

[Scottkmlps]

The Eberflus no pressure defence scheme is gonna allow Bryce Young to have his career game. That should put an exclamation mark on this piss poor Flus era.

 

[Idionym]

Important for bears to win to keep the number 1 pick alive.

I actually think any result is fine here. If the Bears win, the Panthers will, as you say, stay in the hunt for #1. But the Bears will drop from #3 to around #6. However, if the Panthers win, the Bears would move to #2 and the Panthers would drop to #3 based on tiebreakers, so we would stay in the #2 and #3 spot. A tie might end up being one of the worst cases because it ruins the Bears amazing strength of schedule tiebreakers while also making it harder for the Panthers to get the #1 pick. In my opinion, I'd rather have the Panthers win so we have a strong shot at #2 and #3, which imo is better than the #1 pick and a mid-top 10 pick given that Maye and Williams both seem pretty close.