Barry Trotz and Importance of Coaching

[briererocks]

If the Islanders win the cup or even advance past the first round I think it will underscore around the league the importance of coaching . Indeed, personnel wise tbe team loses Tavares but somehow is playing like an elite team.

Given the parity in the league good coaching is a big factor. Suprisingly, there are alot of poorly coached teams .


Hopefully the flyers brain trust gets the memo though I doubt it . Keep playing MacDonald and Hagg and wouldn't surprise me if they traded Ghost . Maybe they will hire Gordon who is a bad coach albeit less bad than Hakstol .

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[Jtown]

its not f***ing trotz.

Its all about LOU.

 

[Prongo]

its not ****ing trotz.

Its all about LOU.

Just not true.

 

[Jtown]

Just not true.

it really is. he is the greatest gm in sports history.

 

[flyersfan187]

General managers and coaches both matter a lot to a teams success but they must be able to work together with building a team.

 

[Domino666]

In B4 it turns into a hot goaltender thread

 

[Magua]

Would kill for some Lou type player signings.

 

[Adam Warlock]

The second Trotz became available Hak shouldve been canned and trotz brought here.

The coaching decision will be the most important decision Fletcher will make this summer.

 

[kudymen]

Would kill for some Lou type player signings.

They are so much faster thanks to all those beards shaved off

 

[Jtown]

They are so much faster thanks to all those beards shaved off

mock them all you want. They are going to win the division with that roster after losing the biggest free agent post lockout while we miss the playoffs yet again.

 

[Muevelo]

Just not true.

False mate. It is true.

 

[kudymen]

mock them all you want. They are going to win the division with that roster after losing the biggest free agent post lockout while we miss the playoffs yet again.

I'm joking....

I am in awe what this roster with said coach and GM are doing.

(Edit - I'm 100% positive this could be rewritten in much better words.. sorry about the difficult wording)

 

[Starat327]

mock them all you want. They are going to win the division with that roster after losing the biggest free agent post lockout while we miss the playoffs yet again.

It has nothing to do with Lou and the roster. It's 100% hot goalies.

 

[Jtown]

It has nothing to do with Lou and the roster. It's 100% hot goalies.

right,because lou has never been associated with employing systems that would prop up a goalie's stats.

 

[Starat327]

right,because lou has never been associated with employing systems that would prop up a goalie's stats.

 

[deadhead]

Islanders are a fluke, created by Weight, who might have done the worst coaching job in decades last year.
He managed to turn a combination of Halak and Greise into subpar goalies, and despite having JT and Barzal as his 1C and 2C, only garner 80 points. That's creative thinking at its best!

They're scoring less than last season, but is that due to the absence of JT or the absence of Weight's "Striker" system - just score baby, that's all that counts!

Let's go back 3 years ago, when the Islanders put up 100 points.

Now Then
2.85 2.77 GPG
16.95 18.78 PP%
79.88 84.48 PK%
.924 .920 S%

Top scorers (ES)
(prorated)
Barzal 19-23 - JT 26-25
Bailey 13-28 - Okposo 15-26
Nelson 21-23 - Nielson 11-19
Lee 17- 20 - Bailey 8-19
Cizikas 20-12 - Cizikas 7-20
Filppula 15-15 - Lee 7-15
Eberle 9-13 - Strome 7-17
Beauvillier 16-8 - Grabovski 8-14
Komarov 8-17 - Clutterbuck 4-10

Defenseman (ranked by ES minutes):
Leddy 1-11 - Hamonic 4-16
Pulock 4-23 - Leddy 2-19
Boychuk 3-12 - de Haan 2-13
Hickey 0-4 - Boychuck 8-12
Pelech 4-12 - Hickey 6-11
Mayfield 3-19 - Strait 1-4

 

[Rebels57]

Coaching and Goaltending are easily the two most important aspects of a winning team.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Scoring helps too I hear.

 

[deadhead]

Problem with the Islanders is they were a very similar team (with many of the same players) before they panicked two years ago, fired Capuano and replaced him with Weight.
So how much is Trotz coaching them up, and how much is merely restoring sanity?

 

[Rebels57]

Scoring helps too I hear.

Good individual scorers led us to exactly 0 playoff series won in the past 7 years, primarily because of awful coaching and goaltending.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Good individual scorers led us to exactly 0 playoff series won in the past 7 years, primarily because of awful coaching and goaltending.

Goaltending isn't more important than scoring. The Islanders didn't magically get better goalies. They hired a coach with a system that watches its goalies overperform year after year. It's why I was against trading the 19th pick for Grubauer last year, which iirc you were on board with the swap. You can't separate the goalies from the coach. They go hand-in-hand.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Problem with the Islanders is they were a very similar team (with many of the same players) before they panicked two years ago, fired Capuano and replaced him with Weight.
So how much is Trotz coaching them up, and how much is merely restoring sanity?

If this is a ven diagram it’s basically one circle. If you don’t have a good leader to control, your team is a disaster.

Another great example is the penguins with bylsma. Therrien had the team in place and in line but his hard line was wearing thin, so they got a players coach. Their team performed better with him and there’s their first cup. But the novelty wore off and they underperformed and were easy to knock off their game until Sullivan came on board.

 

[deadhead]

Goaltending isn't more important than scoring. The Islanders didn't magically get better goalies. They hired a coach with a system that watches its goalies overperform year after year. It's why I was against trading the 19th pick for Grubauer last year, which iirc you were on board with the swap. You can't separate the goalies from the coach. They go hand-in-hand.

No, they got the same goalies who were already good.

Lehner,
2015-16, 21g .924
2016-17, 58g .920
2017-18, 50g .908 personal meltdown last year
2018-19, 33g .918

Greise
2015-16: 41g .925
2016-17: 51g .913
2017-18: 25g .892
2018-19: 29g .928

Halak
2015-16: 36g .919
2016-17: 28g .915
2017-18: 49g .908
2018-19: 29g .924 [in Boston, so no Trotz effect]

I didn't like Grubaeur b/c his AHL post-season record screamed buyer beware.

 

[deadhead]

Good example of how hard it is to assign credit to coaches;
Peters can't get Carolina past 87 points in 4 years, now is rolling with Calgary.

But Carolina under Brind'Amour is a good shot to finally get 90+ points and make the playoffs, despite trading Hanifin and Lindholm for Hamilton and Ferland, and Stall is MIA. And having McElhinney and Mrazek in goal.

So go figure.

 

[Starat327]

It's almost as if systems are important.