Bad look for Evan Bouchard...ducks a hit and controller disconnects

[KrisLetAngry]

Should the guy on his next contract be paid more?
Yes

Is he Norris level?
No

Is it okay if he is not Norris Level?
Yes.

Could he be if he competes better defensively?
Yes.

 

[Czechboy]

Ftr... I don't think he's a Norris contender.

I do think there is a huge gap between being a Norris contender and being a lousy D. He's much closer to the top than the bottom.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Ftr... I don't think he's a Norris contender.

I do think there is a huge gap between being a Norris contender and being a lousy D. He's much closer to the top than the bottom.

Ok, but wouldn’t playing most minutes with two of the game’s best players heavily impact those stats? Honest question, I like advanced stats when used properly- unless these numbers are isolated, which I don’t see how you can do, of course more goals are expected when he’s combined with some very good players. I’d think, like, Seth Jones would see a lot more expected goals for and fewer against were he in that position, for instance.

 

[Czechboy]

Ok, but wouldn’t playing most minutes with two of the game’s best players heavily impact those stats? Honest question, I like advanced stats when used properly- unless these numbers are isolated, which I don’t see how you can do, of course more goals are expected when he’s combined with some very good players.

Name a top D that plays with shitty forwards?

I'd argue Hughes and Makar have more talent around them. Same with Hedman. Maybe Josi has a weaker supporting cast?

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Name a top D that plays with shitty forwards?

I'd argue Hughes and Makar have more talent around them. Same with Hedman. Maybe Josi has a weaker supporting cast?

Those guys are kinda uniquely game breaking though, come on now. It’s the fact that there’s two of em, and one is clearly on another level. We also aren’t even getting into details of usage- if Makar plays 14 minutes a night with Mac and they often start in the dzone that’s very different from Bouchard playing 13 with McD and 10 with Drai, with more offensive draws. I’m just making numbers up, but you get my point- the specifics of any given player’s usage is gonna be reflected in these stats, so it’s removing key context to hold up these numbers as evidence.

And yes, Jodi’s supporting cast is much worse.

 

[Czechboy]

Those guys are kinda uniquely game breaking though, come on now. It’s the fact that there’s two of em, and one is clearly on another level. We also aren’t even getting into details of usage- if Makar plays 14 minutes a night with Mac and they often start in the dzone that’s very different from Bouchard playing 13 with McD and 10 with Drai, with more offensive draws. I’m just making numbers up, but you get my point- the specifics of any given player’s usage is gonna be reflected in these stats, so it’s removing key context to hold up these numbers as evidence.

And yes, Jodi’s supporting cast is much worse.

I get your point but I don't agree.

You are saying Bouch is good because of McDavid and Drai. At this point in the season I've read the 'because McDavid' argument for pretty much every player on the roster including the water boy.lol

 

[Three On Zero]

Maybe in the subcockle area. Liver and kidneys too? How about the colon?

Those areas are reserved for my truly obsessive fans

 

[Szechwan]

His overtime last night is the perfect encapsulation of why people shit talk him all the time.

 

[nturn06]

I get your point but I don't agree.

You are saying Bouch is good because of McDavid and Drai. At this point in the season I've read the 'because McDavid' argument for pretty much every player on the roster including the water boy.lol

Not only that, but Drai is also a 60 point forward who is a byproduct of McDavid

 

[Czechboy]

Not only that, but Drai is also a 60 point forward who is a byproduct of McDavid

And Hyman, RNH and nurse. I'm starting to think he plays all 60 minutes and they just revolve the entire roster around him..

Also, when oilers lose, it's McD's fault for being selfish.

 

[biturbo19]

Bouchard is the modern day Marc Andre Bergeron. If it wasn't for his shot, he's barely an NHL defenseman.

Hey...

It's got a name. It's called a "Bouche Bomb".

 

[Gnome17]

He's got a hard slapshot though

Typical game for him. Minus 2 with some horrible defensive plays but got 2 points with the extra man to make those stats look juicy for his next contract

PPG defensemen looking for a Nurse-like contract

Yeah a typical night for him is going -2 and getting 2 points on the pp yet he is somehow 6th in +/- among defensemen in the league with +26, funny how that works.

 

[Czechboy]

Yeah a typical night for him is going -2 and getting 2 points on the pp yet he is somehow 6th in +/- among defensemen in the league with +26, funny how that works.

I'm also loving the 'without his shot' argument.

Ok, let me try a few others

Without his speed, McDavid would not be as good
Without his shot, Matthews would be worse
Without his reflexes, Hasek wouldn't have been as good
Without his size, Lindros wouldn't have been as good

Why are we eliminating players best qualities and then calling them trash?lol

 

[ricky0034]

I'm also loving the 'without his shot' argument.

Ok, let me try a few others

Without his speed, McDavid would not be as good
Without his shot, Matthews would be worse
Without his reflexes, Hasek wouldn't have been as good
Without his size, Lindros wouldn't have been as good

Why are we eliminating players best qualities and then calling them trash?lol

without their arms and legs Makar and Hughes would be so much worse that the average Hfboards member would be a better Defenseman than both of them combined

 

[CanadaIsIrrelevant]

Where is the initial video in OP post?

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Reminds me a bit of Barrie. Great offense but terrible D. That said, he needs to be paired with a shut down type D to bring out his strengths and cover up his weaknesses.

 

[Czechboy]

7 points in 4 games since this was posted including the game this happened in.

 

[Connor McConnor]

Oiler fans don’t think this guy is Norris level, but some of the takes on here suggest the guy isn’t one of the most elite offensive dmen in the league and is only getting better. He has a top 3 shot and breakout pass in the league as a dman

 

[Czechboy]

Oiler fans don’t think this guy is Norris level, but some of the takes on here suggest the guy isn’t one of the most elite offensive dmen in the league and is only getting better. He has a top 3 shot and breakout pass in the league as a dman

This... Not Norris but an absolute awesome elite offensive Dman. Love watching him play.

 

[Fourier]

He's got a hard slapshot though

Typical game for him. Minus 2 with some horrible defensive plays but got 2 points with the extra man to make those stats look juicy for his next contract

PPG defensemen looking for a Nurse-like contract

Just out of curiosity, given your description of his "typical game" how does he manage to be +27 on the year?? More to the point how is it that amongst all defenseman who have played 500+ minutes he has the best xGF% and the 11 best actual GF% to go along with the best HDCF%? Could it be that what you describe as typical is not really that?

Just to add to the above Bouchard has been a -ve 18 times in 71 games. Five of those were in the Oilers disastrous first 12 games. In comparison, Morgan Rielly has been a -ve 23 times in 65 games, Cale Makar has been a -ve 21 times in 68 games Quinn Hughes 16 times in 73 games...

 

[Connor McConnor]

Just out of curiosity, given your description of his "typical game" how does he manage to be +27 on the year?? More to the point how is it that amongst all defenseman who have played 500+ minutes he has the best xGF% and the 11 best actual GF% to go along with the best HDCF%? Could it be that what you describe as typical is not really that?

Because Canuck fan inferiority complex (I’m guessing, since he’s already blocked for me and I have half that fanbase blocked )

 

[Soundwave]

He's a lot like John Carlson, they're both about the same size, both take a lot of shit for their D lapses at times, both are elite offensively. Carlson has three 70+ point seasons under his belt, Bouchard just got his first.

 

[Fourier]

And Hyman, RNH and nurse. I'm starting to think he plays all 60 minutes and they just revolve the entire roster around him..

Also, when oilers lose, it's McD's fault for being selfish.

Line Stats - Natural Stat Trick

These are the on-ice stats with and without McDavid. Looks like there is a fair bit of synergy here.

 

[Czechboy]

Line Stats - Natural Stat Trick

These are the on-ice stats with and without McDavid. Looks like there is a fair bit of synergy here.

2024 version of Gretzky and coffee incoming.

 

[OilWagon]

Line Stats - Natural Stat Trick

These are the on-ice stats with and without McDavid. Looks like there is a fair bit of synergy here.

Wow they both get massive boosts playing with each other, it's almost like good players make each other better. This will truly be a shocking revelation to some people on this website.