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Sabre the Win

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Toronto may become better than us faster with world renown talent scouting from the Hunters to a renown coach in Babcock.
 
Jame

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Wasn't 50 million the same number being tossed around last night with regards to Buffalo's offer? I'm very to curious to see how they stacked up against each other.
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He took our offer to Toronto... they matched it, and added FO responsibilities that we weren't willing to give him

that's the likely scenario/assumption at this point
 

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Hey...he doesn't want money or to be GM. He is on the record with that.

It's not like he went to a team that is nowhere for 50 million dollars and power and player personnel decisions.
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Haha... He essentially did exactly what he said he wouldn't.

It really helps the sting of not getting him... Not the most genuine guy.
 
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I cant wait for the leafs to ditch their rebuild plan and be a middling team again for the next 5 years
 
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You really can't even be mad. Why would you? Disappointed but not mad. You can't give a coach that much money and then turn around and give him the type of roster power Toronto will likely give him. Imagine being Hunter or whoever they name to GM. Friedman already says Shannahan AND Babcock will have decision making power on the roster. That's a gong show waiting to happen.
 
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Moskau said:
You really can't even be mad. Why would you? Disappointed but not mad. You can't give a coach that much money and then turn around and give him the type of roster power Toronto will likely give him. Imagine being Hunter or whoever they name to GM. Friedman already says Shannahan AND Babcock will have decision making power on the roster. That's a gong show waiting to happen.
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Exactly.

We get to sit back and watch it unfold as we zoom past them in the standings in 2-3 years.
 
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Honestly, Toronto hiring Babcock and deciding to give him GM type control may just be the best thing that could have happened from a Sabres perspective.

Toronto needs to blow up their core.
Babcock, I'm assuming, wants to win, given he's coming from Detroit and is used to success.
Shanahan already declared "go" on the scorched earth policy.

So if the Leafs don't blow it up and tread water for a few more years, will Babcock be in trouble?
If they do blow it up and bottom out, will he be around to see the rebuild through?
Their GM HAS to feel like a bit of a lame duck at this point w/ both Shanny and Babcock around now.

This could be fun to watch...
 
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Jame said:
He took our offer to Toronto... they matched it, and added FO responsibilities that we weren't willing to give him

that's the likely scenario/assumption at this point
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That was my hunch too.

My good friend Tony once told me "first you get the money, then you get the power" (he also added "then you get the woman", but that's not important right now)

It appears Babcock got both the money and the power.
 

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Moskau said:
You really can't even be mad. Why would you? Disappointed but not mad. You can't give a coach that much money and then turn around and give him the type of roster power Toronto will likely give him. Imagine being Hunter or whoever they name to GM. Friedman already says Shannahan AND Babcock will have decision making power on the roster. That's a gong show waiting to happen.
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Good post. Very risky down the road. May end up with a GM in title only.
 

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For some reason I'm not upset at all by this. Friedman is reporting that Guy Boucher is meeting with Toronto, maybe assistant coach.

Move on to finding a new head coach. I would think it is someone Murray is familiar and comfortable with making the names Richardson and DeBoer as the names being thrown around.

I wouldn't mind if he brought his uncle Terry in here to coach. Most of the Kings players credit Terry with making them into pro players capable of winning a Cup.

No matter who it is, people will say it is a bad hire. You can spin any coach to look like he is poor but most of these guys are quality coaches who need the right opportunity.
 
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Moskau said:
You really can't even be mad. Why would you? Disappointed but not mad. You can't give a coach that much money and then turn around and give him the type of roster power Toronto will likely give him. Imagine being Hunter or whoever they name to GM. Friedman already says Shannahan AND Babcock will have decision making power on the roster. That's a gong show waiting to happen.
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Im massively disappointed. Heartbroken even. But not mad.
 
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Jame said:
He took our offer to Toronto... they matched it, and added FO responsibilities that we weren't willing to give him

that's the likely scenario/assumption at this point
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Seems plausible. Good on him for it if so.
 
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Jame said:
He took our offer to Toronto... they matched it, and added FO responsibilities that we weren't willing to give him

that's the likely scenario/assumption at this point
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This seems to be the case. It still blows, but it was a smart move NOT to give him control over personnel decisions. Murray and Babcock would've been stepping on each other's toes, and I'm not sure it would've ended well.

It still blows, though. And the fact it was Toronto that got him adds more salt to the wound. I'm going to avoid the main boards for a bit.
 

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LOL the caller on WGR saying Julien is probably praying he gets fired with 50 million being thrown around at Babcock. Get him a new contract. Please let him go Boston.
 
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radar493 said:
Good post. Very risky down the road. May end up with a GM in title only.
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Pretty much what it already sounds like it is.

"Sure you can be our GM... just run everything through me and then through our HEAD COACH.... also our South American Scout and the equipment managers."
 
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Jame said:
He took our offer to Toronto... they matched it, and added FO responsibilities that we weren't willing to give him

that's the likely scenario/assumption at this point
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and frontloaded it - 8mil per for the first 3 years, and probably has an out too - smart guy
 
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This seems like it could wind up being disastrous for Toronto. They're giving up on their rebuild and giving a coach who hasn't had significant front office experience the reigns. Whoever they do end up hiring as gm will just be a yes man for Babcock.

I'm not sure Babcock will be successful with front office control, Scotty Bowman was a hall of fame coach but a disaster as a GM. This could be brutal.
 
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