Proposal: Bärtschi for Sam Reinhart?

[Verbalyst]

As someone who watches Reinhart every night... Baertschi I feel is a better player right now on a night in night out basis. At least offensively. I think he competes harder as well.

Reinhart is the better 200 foot player. Reinhart isn't a center at the NHL level. He just lacks the foot speed. He's somewhat of a PP specialist thus far in his career. He gets a lot of his points as the net front presence on the PP. All in all he has potential. You can see he processes the game quickly. He just lacks athleticism. Right now he's Vanek(current) without as much offense but is more responsible defensively.

 

[WTG]

I wonder how much Ristolainen would be worth.

Probably a arm and a leg, but still, I wonder what his value is.

 

[Bubbles]

I don't think that trades should be judged purely on re-sell value. Baertschi contributes a lot of value to this team right now, probably in the future, too, and the price-tag is appropriate for what he's doing.

He is affordable...now. Given his point totals possibly this year, he can easily ask for and get 4-5 million contract. Would he sign a two year deal?

 

[elitepete]

Yup.
I'd even add Gudbranson and Granlund.

 

[elitepete]

I wonder how much Ristolainen would be worth.

Probably a arm and a leg, but still, I wonder what his value is.

Juolevi+Baertschi would be my offer.

 

[valkynax]

Yup.
I'd even add Gudbranson and Granlund.

hahaha, now this I like.

 

[oceanchild]

Juolevi+Baertschi would be my offer.

It would have to be apart of a larger trade. Juolevi+Baertschi+Gunderbranson for Kane, Risto and Reinhardt

I think we need to add, but not sure how much.

 

[Eddy Punch Clock]

It would have to be apart of a larger trade. Juolevi+Baertschi+Gunderbranson for Kane, Risto and Reinhardt

I think we need to add, but not sure how much.

Much

 

[member 105785]

Juolevi+Baertschi would be my offer.

I think you think Reinhart is a lot better than he actually is

 

[elitepete]

It would have to be apart of a larger trade. Juolevi+Baertschi+Gunderbranson for Kane, Risto and Reinhardt

I think we need to add, but not sure how much.

Just take out Reinhart and Kane cause thats bloody f***ing awful for them.

 

[elitepete]

I think you think Reinhart is a lot better than he actually is

That offer is for Ristolainen, no way we trade Juolevi for Reinhart.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Hutton + picks for yet ANOTHER failing 1st rounder? That's a very Benning deal.

Hutton for Reinhart makes sense for both sides -- assuming Botteril is not valuing him as a future 1C. His projection is probably as a 2C, and he will have to make a difficult switch from
RW to do it. It's not as easy as looking back at his junior career. There will be growing pains, and it may not happen.

With all that said, it's a risky deal for VAN. Hutton sometimes does everything but put up points in games. When Tanev gets right again, I expect Hutton to regain that level of play. That's when this becomes a tough decision.
It's not easy developing top4 Dmen. When you have a young one it's hard to give that up.

It's a trade where Benning has to be almost sure about Reinhart's future projection. Very difficult deal to make, IMO.

 

[member 105785]

That offer is for Ristolainen, no way we trade Juolevi for Reinhart.

my bad, reading is tough sometimes

 

[StreetHawk]

He is affordable...now. Given his point totals possibly this year, he can easily ask for and get 4-5 million contract. Would he sign a two year deal?

Why? He's 26. He'll either do a 1 year salary arbitration deal to get to UFA or get a 4 or 5 year deal now. Either bet on himself and have 31 teams to negotiate with in 2019 or get the security of along term deal this summer. That's what I would suggest he do.

 

[valkynax]

Hutton for Reinhart makes sense for both sides -- assuming Botteril is not valuing him as a future 1C. His projection is probably as a 2C, and he will have to make a difficult switch from
RW to do it. It's not as easy as looking back at his junior career. There will be growing pains, and it may not happen.

With all that said, it's a risky deal for VAN. Hutton sometimes does everything but put up points in games. When Tanev gets right again, I expect Hutton to regain that level of play. That's when this becomes a tough decision.
It's not easy developing top4 Dmen. When you have a young one it's hard to give that up.

It's a trade where Benning has to be almost sure about Reinhart's future projection. Very difficult deal to make, IMO.

I don't think there's EVER been a moment that Benning was even remotely doubting the future projections of any the players he brought in, despite being proven wrong again and again

and again and again and again.

 

[StreetHawk]

With all that said, it's a risky deal for VAN. Hutton sometimes does everything but put up points in games. When Tanev gets right again, I expect Hutton to regain that level of play. That's when this becomes a tough decision.
It's not easy developing top4 Dmen. When you have a young one it's hard to give that up.

It's a trade where Benning has to be almost sure about Reinhart's future projection. Very difficult deal to make, IMO.

Not a lot of D prospects coming through the system to be moving on from Hutton is there? Expect Gudbranson due to salary demands to be moved on from. Edler in 2019 should be moved on from.

Suddenly, that drops the D down to Tanev, Stecher, MDZ, Pouliot, Juolevi and any of Brisebois, Chatfield, Mcenery. Not exactly imposing.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Not a lot of D prospects coming through the system to be moving on from Hutton is there? Expect Gudbranson due to salary demands to be moved on from. Edler in 2019 should be moved on from.

Suddenly, that drops the D down to Tanev, Stecher, MDZ, Pouliot, Juolevi and any of Brisebois, Chatfield, Mcenery. Not exactly imposing.

I think Benning re-signs Edler. That leaves 4 LHD options on the team: Edler, Del Zotto, Pouliot and Juolevi. There's still Tryamkin (until they trade his rights), McEneny and Brisebois in the fold. Not to mention players like Holm and Weircioch who could be #6 LHDs if given a shot. That's at least 6-7 LHD options. They're not great options, but they're there to try.

Add to this that Hutton was already offered up for E.Kane, per rumour. It's easy to think that they will move on from him.

I also think they will attempt to balance the handedness on the D pairs at some point. Like they tried to do with the Demers trade. This further restricts the room on the left side.

 

[Royal Canuck]

I'm not for Reinhart, just because of his foot speed. I'm all for speed in today's game, wouldn't bother trading for Reinhart, even if he is a PP specialist and has great IQ.

Ristolainen on the other hand...

 

[Pavel96]

Absolutely zero chance Buff takes Baertchi for Reinhart. Heck didnt Reinhart get 20+ goals last year, Has Baerchi hit 20 yet? Canucks would have to add significantly late rounder isnt going to cut it.

You know Jim's good for at least a 2nd - plus he will swap a 4th for their 7th

 

[WTG]

I'd love for this team to move on Hutton, then to quickly realize how important he actually is to this D-core. Hutton has led this team in 5v5 TOI/GP, 4th best CF% despite being played with Corsi anchor Gudbranson, 3rd best in GF%, 3rd best in scoring chances for %, best in high danger scoring chances for %. He's managed to do this despite playing with Gudbranson for half the season.

Hutton plays tough minutes and has done a lot better then people realize.

Last year, only Tanev was better then him in Corsi Against per 60 and Fenwick Against per 60, 3rd in shots against per 60 behind Tanev and Tryamkin. Best in Scoring chances for %, on the defense.

People don't think Hutton is good because he is a high event player. But they don't realize that street goes both ways. They have a severe case of negativity bias when it comes to Hutton. They remember a turnover, but they don't remember him skating it out of the zone creating a 3 on 2 and creating a chance for this team. Hutton is a good asset that gets shit on way too much by people. If we move this guy, it will hurt. Sure, he may never be a 1st pairing defenseman, but I believe he can be a good 2nd pairing defenseman, even on a playoff team.


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Adding to this, look at his transition stats, look at Darryl Keeping's website, he tracks zone transition data for the canucks. Here's what he has to say about Hutton

Bringing us to Ben Hutton. There's a case to be made that he's been the teams best defencemen in the neutral zone so far with his team low 36.16% carry in rate. What makes that even more impressive is that he's played a large portion of the season with Chris Tanev as the primary shutdown pairing. What I've noticed with Hutton in the neutral zone is that he doesn't rely as much on aggressive reads like Pouliot does, but he leans on his skill. Hutton has incredible hands while skating backwards defending the blueline. Countless times he's knocking passes out of the air with his hand eye coordination and the same can be said for attempted dump ins.

Hutton's steady play is earning him big minutes this season. He hasn't played less than 20:52 since Oct. 10th Vs. the Senators and is averaging 22:38 on the season.

Phase 2 - Team Update

Some more;

Hutton just doesn't turn the puck over in the defensive zone with a team low fail rate of 9.71%. He's also been hovering around the 70% mark for team zone exits seemingly all season. One thing he could do better in the defensive zone would be putting his teammates in better position to exit the zone with his passes.

Hutton is a damn good defenseman, and if we are trading him we better get a damn good return. Because if we trade him, our back-end is going to miss him.

 

[VanJack]

Wow!.....With Eichel (2nd overall); Reinhart (2nd overall) and Ryan O'Reilly the Sabres were supposed to be set down the middle for the next decade. Now Reinhart along with Kane is getting mentioned in every Buffalo trade rumor. What happened? I know Canuckleheads are agonizing over whether Virtanen (6th overall) or Juolevi (5th overall) will ever make it in the NHL. But imagine if we'd drafted the two Sams' instead --Reinhart and Bennett?

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

Loading up on Reinharts and Stromes would solidify the tank for a generation.

 

[F A N]

I still like Sam Reinhart and would do a Baertschi for Sam Reinhart straight up deal. Would throw in a non first round pick into the deal to get it done as well. Would love for Benning to acquire him.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

I wouldn't mine lining up the Reinharts and the Stromes and having a footrace.

No idea who would win but it's something I think I would enjoy watching.

 

[Verbalyst]

I wouldn't do Juolevi for Samson straight up. Sam isn't a busy by any means. He's just a really low event player. Him and Virtanen are two opposite ends of the spectrum. Samson has the toolbox and Jake has the tools.

Jake isn't close in terms of productivity, but in terms of impact. Even at 8 minutes a night Jake has the ability to impact a game. He has game breaking athleticism. Which makes me think ideally they would be good linemates.

Reinhart would be redundant on this team, how it's constructed as is.