News Article: Avs Won't Repeat Stastny Mistake - I.E. Why Terry Frei is the Avs Best Sports Writer.

[Foppa2118]

Given that the Avs didn't make it past the 1st round with Stastny (who played a big part in their wins) it would have looked awful if they traded him for a 2nd and a prospect at the end of a Cinderella season, and then fizzled out soon after. It would have looked like that was the direct result of trading such a valuable player.

 

[Avs_19]

Given that the Avs didn't make it past the 1st round with Stastny (who played a big part in their wins) it would have looked awful if they traded him for a 2nd and a prospect at the end of a Cinderella season, and then fizzled out soon after. It would have looked like that was the direct result of trading such a valuable player.

Obviously there's no way to know for sure but why is everyone just capping the return at what Vanek got?

 

[Rebuilt]

He's saying Stastny was disingenuous with him? Because a guy that covered the Avaalanche a handful of times this year is the authority on what one of their players trurly wanted to do, and how much the Avs offered him vs other teams.

He took a paycut to join the Blues at $7M, and the Avs never got to $6M. I was never even that big a Stastny fan, but I'm finding this smear campaign pretty annoying.

The Avs thought it better to move in a different direction with Duchene/MacKinnon as their go to guys unless Stastny came cheap, and Stastny felt compelled not to turn down $4M plus.

I don't know why there's all this dramatic crap. Both sides POV is completely understandable, and nobody was disingenuous. Not sure why Terry feels the need to spout off his opinion after not following the team all year.

I rubbed my eyes and read the bolded part 3 times.

 

[Foppa2118]

Obviously there's no way to know for sure but why is everyone just capping the return at what Vanek got?

I doubt he would have got any more than that. It's much easier to fit a winger into your lineup than a center. There's twice as many spots for a winger than a guy like Stastny on the top two lines.

So most likely there were less teams interested in Stastny because of that reason. So even less of a market for him than the already dismal market for Vanek and Moulson. Maybe if the Avs would have packaged McLeod with Stastny like Buffalo did with Moulson and McCormick they could have squeezed an extra 2nd out, but that wouldn't make much sense either.

I don't know why anyone would expect the team to be sellers after making the playoffs for the first time in a long time, being at the top of the standings, and trying to re-energize it's fanbase all year. Especially when the returns clearly weren't very good.

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

Obviously there's no way to know for sure but why is everyone just capping the return at what Vanek got?

Because Kesler was being shopped and he wasn't traded which meant that most teams were waiting for his decision. Which means that the only way the Avs would have been able to convince a team to take Stastny would have been to have a low price.

 

[tigervixxxen]

I rubbed my eyes and read the bolded part 3 times.

He actually did. There were reports that teams such as Toronto and Nashville were offering over 7 for more years.

 

[BB1133]

Obviously there's no way to know for sure but why is everyone just capping the return at what Vanek got?

A few things make this an unfair comparison..

1) Garth Snow handled the whole Vanek situation terribly.

2) Vanek's trade value went down post-Olympics.

3) there were other options available at wing.

I have no doubt that a two-way center would have gotten more interest and a better return.

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

A few things make this an unfair comparison..

1) Garth Snow handled the whole Vanek situation terribly.

2) Vanek's trade value went down post-Olympics.

3) there were other options available at wing.

I have no doubt that a two-way center would have gotten more interest and a better return.

If a two-way center would have gotten a better return then Kesler would have been traded at the deadline rather then at the draft.

 

[InjuredChoker]

If a two-way center would have gotten a better return then Kesler would have been traded at the deadline rather then at the draft.

canucks had different GM in place at the draft than they did at deadline.

who probably didn't want another luongo situation.

 

[BB1133]

If a two-way center would have gotten a better return then Kesler would have been traded at the deadline rather then at the draft.

They probably could have gotten more. The Canucks had more options at the deadline than at the draft, but Gillis was asking for the moon.

 

[Freudian]

If a two-way center would have gotten a better return then Kesler would have been traded at the deadline rather then at the draft.

I think ownership killed a Kesler trade at deadline.

 

[Foppa Frossa]

Feels like this can be combined with the other O'Reilly thread.

 

[AvsRobin]

Briere had negative value (4M cap hit and he wasn't going to make the club) AND we had to give PAP + a draft pick to get him. That says it all about PAP's value. It was heavily in the negative which is why Roy was unable to dump him last season or at the draft.

PAP had heavily negative trade value? No I dont think he did. And I dont think the Briere trade is proof of that. Roy hasn't exactly been so good in terms of getting proper value back in trade. He doesnt seem to care about it. Get rid off the guy he wants rid off and get someone he likes back. If Downie had much more value than Talbot at the time, he doesnt seem to care so much about. And same goes for this one.

And even so, I cant imagine Islanders not being willing to take PAP back at 2 years at 4.0M when they were desperate to add point producers. And like I have stated previously. It would have been better to trade him for a 7th than take Briere back in a trade.

 

[Hasbro]

Bozak + 2nd

 

[Hasbro]

Seriously, at the deadline who are the Avs going to trade Stastny to?

The Sellers wouldn't want him because he was in a walk year and clearly done with rebuilding teams, so forget that.

You can't trade him inside the conference. You could potentially strengthen a playoff opponent and hurt your playoff position.

Trade him to the East and there's a possibility you could see him in the finals.

 

[AslanRH]

PAP had heavily negative trade value? No I dont think he did. And I dont think the Briere trade is proof of that. Roy hasn't exactly been so good in terms of getting proper value back in trade. He doesnt seem to care about it. Get rid off the guy he wants rid off and get someone he likes back. If Downie had much more value than Talbot at the time, he doesnt seem to care so much about. And same goes for this one.

And even so, I cant imagine Islanders not being willing to take PAP back at 2 years at 4.0M when they were desperate to add point producers. And like I have stated previously. It would have been better to trade him for a 7th than take Briere back in a trade.

But Briere @ 4m will help the bottom 6, much more than a Winnik, McClement, Santorelli, McGinn, or even a Jokinen.

I agree with you 100% actually

 

[AvsRobin]

But Briere @ 4m will help the bottom 6, much more than a Winnik, McClement, Santorelli, McGinn, or even a Jokinen.

I agree with you 100% actually

I think Briere is hard to fit in. I dont trust him at C at this point in his career. But yet all Habs-fan say he sucked on the wing and especially on the PP.

 

[tigervixxxen]

I wouldn't look to find many parallels in the opinion of the fans who saw him at his worst and when he didn't fit in.

 

[AslanRH]

I wouldn't look to find many parallels in the opinion of the fans who saw him at his worst and when he didn't fit in.

Like Sharks fans talking of Stuart?

or Avs fans talking about PAP this year or Mitchell before last season?

 

[DRL]

A few things make this an unfair comparison..

1) Garth Snow handled the whole Vanek situation terribly.

2) Vanek's trade value went down post-Olympics.

3) there were other options available at wing.

I have no doubt that a two-way center would have gotten more interest and a better return.

People forget the avs iced hishon in the playoffs. A raw rookie with no big league experience because the team had no depth up front. Trading stastny would've signalled this team not giving two craps about winning in the playoffs.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Like Sharks fans talking of Stuart?

or Avs fans talking about PAP this year or Mitchell before last season?

Yeah, how many Avs players would have been declared to have already seen the best of their career before last season. Much less someone on a new team entirely in a one year stint.

 

[S E P H]

Only (realistic) player I would have traded Stostny for is Kezler at the deadline, but I understand why Avs did not do it.

- Would have required more assets than just Staz.
- Avs have very little depth in the organization.
- Paul wanted to stay as an Avs.