Nice to see a little fire out of the boys... waaaay to late though
yeah , that was too little too late. you dont start something with 2 minutes left in the 3rd in a 5-2 game . They should have done that in the first or when we made it 4-2.
Nice to see a little fire out of the boys... waaaay to late though
How long does everyone think it would take Jones to develop to where he would need to be to make us a contender?
Firstly, we need a REAL coach. Not a guy that would see McGinn get a GIANT BUTTLOAD of chances to start the year with Paul Stastny (8 posts in 5 games played) and then NEVER AGAIN put those two guys together for the rest of the season (or up until now anyways).
Secondly, we would need more help than just adding Seth Jones. It's a good step, but we'd need to acquire a top 3 d-man as soon as possible. Not sure what is going to be available this summer as far as UFAs but that's a priority.
Well its good to see we're back to doing what we do best...losing. Not that I like us losing, but seems thats all we do on a consistent basis.
I don't even know what to say anymore, how many games can we play the exact same way. Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?
How many games can we play where we come out flatter than a slashed tire?
How many games do players like O'Bryne, Hunwick and Jones get to play before we say no more?
How many times can you dump a puck in and not get to it?
How long can we just sit still and grab our ankles? Something needs to change now, not in the offseason, but right now.
Watching the Avs this season is going to make me go crazy, they are so frustrating.
Firstly, we need a REAL coach. Not a guy that would see McGinn get a GIANT BUTTLOAD of chances to start the year with Paul Stastny (8 posts in 5 games played) and then NEVER AGAIN put those two guys together for the rest of the season (or up until now anyways).
Secondly, we would need more help than just adding Seth Jones. It's a good step, but we'd need to acquire a top 3 d-man as soon as possible. Not sure what is going to be available this summer as far as UFAs but that's a priority.
Anything they change at this point will only hurt our chances at a top 3 draft pick. Just saying...
This has probably been brought up, but does the list of defenders drafted #1 over all scare anyone else?
I'm a strong believer in Tyson Barrie and Stefan Elliot. I believe they will both make it when their time is right. In my mind, these two will be 3-5 Ds on the team (I'm thinking more 3-4) God knows we have enough 5-6s so all we really need is another top pairing Dman. And don't forget, we have Siemens down the pipeline, who can play legit minutes in a shutdown role.
I'm really not worried about this organization long term. Short term on the other hand,...
I'm a strong believer in Tyson Barrie and Stefan Elliot. I believe they will both make it when their time is right. In my mind, these two will be 3-5 Ds on the team (I'm thinking more 3-4) God knows we have enough 5-6s so all we really need is another top pairing Dman. And don't forget, we have Siemens down the pipeline, who can play legit minutes in a shutdown role.
I'm really not worried about this organization long term. Short term on the other hand,...
Was talking about this today, I really hope the draft goes as planned in the early stages of the year, and FLA picks Mackinnon first, and we get the second pick and chose Jones. For some reason, I think the pressure of being first overall is much greater on Dman/Goalies than on a forward... according to history anyways.
Anything they change at this point will only hurt our chances at a top 3 draft pick. Just saying...
This has probably been brought up, but does the list of defenders drafted #1 over all scare anyone else?
Anything they change at this point will only hurt our chances at a top 3 draft pick. Just saying...
This has probably been brought up, but does the list of defenders drafted #1 over all scare anyone else?
For fuq sake, this list of goalies and defenders drafted #1 over all is horrible.
Pressure is one thing... but if you look at the forwards taken #1 over all. It looks like 80% of them are stars and may even be hall of fame caliber.
Jaroslav Halak averages 17 shots against the 11 games he has been in the net for the Blues this season. Quite the diffrence from the job Varly and Giggy has here.
Firstly, we need a REAL coach. Not a guy that would see McGinn get a GIANT BUTTLOAD of chances to start the year with Paul Stastny (8 posts in 5 games played) and then NEVER AGAIN put those two guys together for the rest of the season (or up until now anyways).
Me! I'd prefer to take a Drouin or MacKinnon.
I still think finding a way to add multiple very good pieces to the core is one way to manage that asset. I get that passing on prospective great talent is a huge risk, but If I was the FO, I'd definitely field some offers and be very clear I was willing to move it for a great package, all the way up til draft day.
Anything they change at this point will only hurt our chances at a top 3 draft pick. Just saying...
This has probably been brought up, but does the list of defenders drafted #1 over all scare anyone else?
For fuq sake, this list of goalies and defenders drafted #1 over all is horrible.
Me! I'd prefer to take a Drouin or MacKinnon.
I still think finding a way to add multiple very good pieces to the core is one way to manage that asset. I get that passing on prospective great talent is a huge risk, but If I was the FO, I'd definitely field some offers and be very clear I was willing to move it for a great package, all the way up til draft day.
Just because I don't remember this being brought up, sorry if it has.
This is a list of Defenders drafted in the top 5 going quite a ways back.
Ok so Defense #1 over all...
2006 - EJ
1996 - Phillips
1995 - Berard (Never heard of him...)
1994 - Jovanovski
1992 - Hamelik
1982 - Kluzak
1979 - Ramage
1976 - R. Green
1974 - Joly
1973 - Potvin
1967 - Pagnutti
1966 - Gibbs
2nd over all isn't much better, but it does have Pronger
2012 - Murray
2009 - Hedman
2008 - Doughty
1996 - Zyuzin???
1995 - Redden
1994 - Tverdivski
1993 - Pronger
1980 - Babych
3rd over all still isn't much better
2010 - Gudbranson
2008 - Bogosian
2005 - J. Johnson
2004 - Barker
2002 - Bouwmeester
1998 - Stuart
1995 - Aki-Petteri Berg
1992 - Mike Rathje
1991 - Scott Niedermayer
1988 - Curtis Leschyshyn
1987 - Glen Wesley
1985 - Craig Wolanin
4th over all?
2012 - Griffin Reinhart
2011 - Adam Larsson
2008 - Alex Pietrangelo
2007 - Thomas Hickey
2002 - Joni Pitkanen
2000 - Rostislav Klesla
1998 - Bryan Allen
1991 - Scott Lachance
1987 - Wayne McBean
1986 - Zarley Zalapski
1984 - Al Iafrate
1980 - Larry Murphy
5th Over all?
2012 - Morgan Rielly
2008 - Luke Schenn
2007 - Karl Alzner
2002 - Ryan Whitney
1998 - Vitali Vishnevsky
1997 - Eric Brewer
1996 - Richard Jackman
1992 - Darius Kasparaitis
1991 - Aaron Ward
1987 - Chris Joseph
1986 - Shawn Anderson
1985 - Dana Murzyn
1984 - Petr Svoboda
1981 - Joe Cirella
1980 - Darren Veitch
Some of these guys are still seriously unproven, but historically it seems to be a crap shoot as to if your actually getting a star caliber defender or not.
There seems to be more 'busts' the closer they get to #1 over all. I've been a NHL fan since around 1995, so I am not super well versed on some of the older names. But I'm not totally clueless either, some of these older guys I remember being talked about as good players.
HNIC said that Giguere ripped the team after the game.
Rightfully so. Varlamov gave up his two brutal goals per game and is now stastistically one of the worst tenders in the league. Our D sucked. Like usual and our forwards were invisible.
Maybe it isn't on the coach?
Sacco cant do much when Varlamov gives up 4 goals on 15 shots.
HNIC said that Giguere ripped the team after the game.
Rightfully so. Varlamov gave up his two brutal goals per game and is now stastistically one of the worst tenders in the league. Our D sucked. Like usual and our forwards were invisible.
Maybe it isn't on the coach?
Sacco cant do much when Varlamov gives up 4 goals on 15 shots.
I'm going to move this over to the draft thread though, maybe this is wrong but I'll take Drouin even at #2 over Jones after looking at this list.