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Cousin Eddie

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Joe Sakic said:
We might get actually get lucky with the MacK and Barrie extensions.

As other have said, I don't think MacK is getting over 6M AAV.

If Barrie goes to arbitration I see a 1 year deal coming it at about a 5 or 5.5M AAV.

We might still have room to sign either a defenseman or Matthias for ~3M AAV, and someone like Brouwer for 4.5M AAV
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Right now I'm guessing Mackinnon's side sees that too which they probably aren't okay with. They are probably going to push for a bridge deal so he can prove he's worth closer to 8 long term. We might get him at or maybe even under 5 million for the next year or two but then it's going up. I hope they do long term now though.
 
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kento said:
Right now I'm guessing Mackinnon's side sees that too which they probably aren't okay with. They are probably going to push for a bridge deal so he can prove he's worth closer to 8 long term. We might get him at or maybe even under 5 million for the next year or two but then it's going up. I hope they do long term now though.
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A 1 or 2 year bridge should fall in the 3-4M range, rather than the "at 5M" range...so I'd say you're closer to the "or under" part you mentioned.
 
Cousin Eddie

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RockLobster said:
A 1 or 2 year bridge should fall in the 3-4M range, rather than the "at 5M" range...so I'd say you're closer to the "or under" part you mentioned.
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I'm not so sure. Mack would probably have the richest bridge deal in history.

RyJo took a bridge deal of 4M AAV and that was 2 years ago when the cap was 4 million dollars lower. He at the time had a career high 63 points (like Mackinnon) but his two other seasons were 12 points and 21 points.

RyJo = 4m AAV bridge deal | Salary cap 69 million | 96 points in 189 career games
Mackinnon in same position | Salary cap 73 million | 153 points in 218 games

I could definitely see Mackinnon getting a million more than RyJo. Mackinnon is also a year younger than Johansen was.

edit: I totally disregarded the "1 or 2 year" part of your post. You're right. If he only took a one or two year bridge it would be less. Especially 1 year.
 
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kento said:
Right now I'm guessing Mackinnon's side sees that too which they probably aren't okay with. They are probably going to push for a bridge deal so he can prove he's worth closer to 8 long term. We might get him at or maybe even under 5 million for the next year or two but then it's going up. I hope they do long term now though.
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The sad part is he should be happy to take the 6 with term. He's yet to really play like a 6M player since his rookie season. He had one decent stretch last year, but consistently I'd say he's probably in the $3.5-4M range in terms of play and quality of play.
 
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electricjib said:
The sad part is he should be happy to take the 6 with term. He's yet to really play like a 6M player since his rookie season. He had one decent stretch last year, but consistently I'd say he's probably in the $3.5-4M range in terms of play and quality of play.
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I think it's been a while since he's played, we've forgotten how good he is. I don't think this is true at all. The team got noticeably worse without him even if he's not creating as much as we'd like.
 
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Also I feel like I missed something, how did Shaw end up on MTL, did the Hawks trade him? I missed that I guess. Or did he sign an offer sheet?
 
Cousin Eddie

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tigervixxxen said:
I think it's been a while since he's played, we've forgotten how good he is. I don't think this is true at all. The team got noticeably worse without him even if he's not creating as much as we'd like.
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This is very true. I've been calling Matt Duchene the best player on the team for about 5-6 years now. Even last year when everyone said Mackinnon would be their best player I stuck tight and guessed Duchene would still be our best skater. Next year though, I truly believe Nathan Mackinnon becomes the best player on the team. It's his time. And that terrifies me if he isn't locked up long term.
 
Cousin Eddie

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Had the Hawks known Bergevin was that dumb he could have let him offer sheet Shaw. I know I know Bergevin probably wouldn't have done that but if he did the compensation would have been a 1st and 3rd :laugh:
 
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electricjib said:
The sad part is he should be happy to take the 6 with term. He's yet to really play like a 6M player since his rookie season. He had one decent stretch last year, but consistently I'd say he's probably in the $3.5-4M range in terms of play and quality of play.
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It isn't 2005 anymore. If MacKinnon was 26 and he had a year like he had last year, he get well more than that. He's 20. Pay him.
 
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The Mars Volchenkov said:
Absurd.
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Because i'm not in agreement with the majority? It's not even that outlandish. He was phenomenal his rookie season obviously. And has had stretches of decent play.

Would I happily have him signed to 6M or more longterm. Absolutely. I'm not saying he's not capable of it. I just don't think his play the last two years has materialized the value of a 6M player. That is all.

I don't really think anyone other than Duchene and Barrie earned their check last season.
 
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kento said:
Had the Hawks known Bergevin was that dumb he could have let him offer sheet Shaw. I know I know Bergevin probably wouldn't have done that but if he did the compensation would have been a 1st and 3rd :laugh:
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I can see situations where 2 2nds is more preferable... now if Montreal misses the playoffs, then the 1st is way more valuable. If they are in the 20s... I'd probably rather have the 2 2nds. Still, an offer sheet at that level wasn't going to happen for Shaw.

I don't get the hate on that contract though. Yeah it is a little too long, but Shaw is an elite 3rd line level of player, a young enough one that he shouldn't drop off terribly (Montreal just purchase the rest of his prime... not much, if any more), he is a heart and soul type of player, and he always elevates his game in the playoffs. The Hawks are really going to miss Shaw. People talk like he is a plug, but he will put up ~15+g and ~20a a season while being able to play anywhere in the top 9. For the term, it would be better if it was 3.75m... but that is splitting hairs.
 

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It sounds like Sakic's highest priority is getting Barrie and Mack taken care of. Someone out there might be stupid enough to offer sheet them but I can't imagine any scenario where the Avs don't match so there is no rush.

I'd love to see Matthias back. I hope the Avs might be able to get him on a 2-3 year deal.

Sadly there is not a lot of top tier D on the UFA market. As Sakic noted in a recent article they can only get the type of D they want (a top 4 guy) via trade.
 
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If Avs strike out bringing back Boedker and Matthias which they are trying to do, it's looking like we will have a hole in the top 6 and bottom 6.

Looking at what's out there and what we can afford I'd like to try grabbing 1 from each category.

Top 6
Okposo
Nielson
Brouwer
Backes
Perron

Bottom 6
Helm
Mcginn
Martin
 
UncleRisto

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CobraAcesS said:
More Zach Redmond love from the Corsiati

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/finding-blue-line-help-deep-in-free-agent-market-1.516935
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Oh hey, I found this entire sequence as a gif.

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MartinLetain21 said:
If Avs strike out bringing back Boedker and Matthias which they are trying to do, it's looking like we will have a hole in the top 6 and bottom 6.

Looking at what's out there and what we can afford I'd like to try grabbing 1 from each category.

Top 6
Okposo
Nielson
Brouwer
Backes
Perron

Bottom 6
Helm
Mcginn
Martin
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I think they would be lucky to grab one of McGinn, Helm, Perron, Brouwer, etc. The Avs aren't going to be in on the Backes and Okospo's.
 
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kento said:
I think Toronto are in major need of righties. They're also corsi lovers so I have a good feeling that happens.
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They'd be much better off going for Trotman... though I think a number of teams will try to convince Trotman for a bottom pairing sort of role. I think the Avs even take a run at him.
 
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