Rumor: AVS Proposals/Rumors/Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics)

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[tigervixxxen]

I'd like Skinner better than Radulov to solve our top 6 for next year issue because he's a known quantity at this point. He plays in the NHL, he's younger, he's under contract. I expect Radulov to cost just as much if not more, be around only a couple of years and the whole idea may not even be feasible for many reasons. However I do not want to sell the farm for Skinner either, I'm not advocating that.

 

[Alex Jones]

Skinner Mackinnon Landeskog would be too sick as a line.

Not sure if I would take Skinner due to the injuries.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

I'd like Skinner better than Radulov to solve our top 6 for next year issue because he's a known quantity at this point. He plays in the NHL, he's younger, he's under contract. I expect Radulov to cost just as much if not more, be around only a couple of years and the whole idea may not even be feasible for many reasons. However I do not want to sell the farm for Skinner either, I'm not advocating that.

He isn't really a known quantity though. Are we getting a 1 deminsional 3rd line scorer in the mold of PaP/Iggy but faster, or a guy who is going to give us 30/30 in a top6 role? That is a very big unknown.

 

[henchman21]

I'd like Skinner better than Radulov to solve our top 6 for next year issue because he's a known quantity at this point. He plays in the NHL, he's younger, he's under contract. I expect Radulov to cost just as much if not more, be around only a couple of years and the whole idea may not even be feasible for many reasons. However I do not want to sell the farm for Skinner either, I'm not advocating that.

I'd take a $6m per deal for Rads over Skinner any day, but only a select few people know what is really going on there. So as a fan, it is hard to count on.

Skinner isn't worth selling the farm over, but he could take a chunk out and the Avs would still be better off if he can stay somewhat healthy.

The Avs would be looking at a U25 forward group in the NHL of: Landy, MacK, Duchene, Skinner, Grigs, Wagner (not special, but a NHL player), and soon to be Rantanen. If Rantanen pans out to be at least a top 6 player... 5 of the 6 top 6 spots are sealed up. If Grigs develops into one... all 6 are filled or 6 of the top 9 is filled. It makes it easy to round out the forward group going forward... especially with players like Bleaks, Compher, and maybe a 2016 first round pick on the way.

He isn't really a known quantity though. Are we getting a 1 deminsional 3rd line scorer in the mold of PaP/Iggy but faster, or a guy who is going to give us 30/30 in a top6 role? That is a very big unknown.

The kid had 1 bad season where he still score 18g... if healthy, he is a top 6 player easily. With a decent set of linemates, he will pop in 30.

 

[AslanRH]

If I can use futures to get Skinner for $5m or less I'd do it.

That said I'd probably back out if it requires a major piece like Bigras, Grigs, Zads, Rants or a 2016 1st that isn't top 10 protected.

Skinner has played over 70 games each of the last 2 seasons and is only 23 and shown the skills to be a very good top 6er. My concerns over his injuries is not near what it was 2 years ago

 

[5280]

Don't really like Skinner.

 

[AvalancheFan19]

Kids scored 30 goals twice on Carolina and has had injury problems. Not like he's payed with studs either, I'd welcome Skinner with open arms.

 

[CobraAcesS]

If I can use futures to get Skinner for $5m or less I'd do it.

That said I'd probably back out if it requires a major piece like Bigras, Grigs, Zads, Rants or a 2016 1st that isn't top 10 protected.

Skinner has played over 70 games each of the last 2 seasons and is only 23 and shown the skills to be a very good top 6er. My concerns over his injuries is not near what it was 2 years ago

Talk about boom or bust potential, as I said earlier. Only way I'd do it is if they were just trying to get rid of his contract. We are one of very few teams that could even take on 60% of his contract without sending significant salary back.

Most of the teams able to do so, are not even remotely close to being competitive either.

My guess is Skinner is not a 'Roy' type player though.

 

[PAZ]

Pretty early for this, but what do people think about Stastny coming back to the Avs next year via free agency?

I honestly think we have a pretty good chance of signing him to a fair contract unless he kills it next season.

Edit: Nevermind, he has another year on his contract.

 

[Avs71]

How many times has this team changed identities in the past bunch of seasons? Lets play fire wagon hockey. Lets have all puck moving defencemen. Lets have all defensive defencemen. Lets have a mix. Lets have really skilled forwards, but no two way forwards. Let's get all big forwards. Part of me is afraid is what future off seasons will bring. The Avs haven't found success with any style, and it's making the rebuild so much longer constantly changing what they're looking for.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

I'd take a $6m per deal for Rads over Skinner any day, but only a select few people know what is really going on there. So as a fan, it is hard to count on.

Skinner isn't worth selling the farm over, but he could take a chunk out and the Avs would still be better off if he can stay somewhat healthy.

The Avs would be looking at a U25 forward group in the NHL of: Landy, MacK, Duchene, Skinner, Grigs, Wagner (not special, but a NHL player), and soon to be Rantanen. If Rantanen pans out to be at least a top 6 player... 5 of the 6 top 6 spots are sealed up. If Grigs develops into one... all 6 are filled or 6 of the top 9 is filled. It makes it easy to round out the forward group going forward... especially with players like Bleaks, Compher, and maybe a 2016 first round pick on the way.



The kid had 1 bad season where he still score 18g... if healthy, he is a top 6 player easily. With a decent set of linemates, he will pop in 30.

He is working on his 2nd "bad" season.

As for the linemates, other than Staal he was with their most productive players last year. And is now playing with Veersteg who is doing just as good as anyone else on that team.

And who is to say he would get decent linemates with us? PaP was demoted because he was a 1 deminsional scorer. Iggy has been demoted for the same reason, when he was on pace for well over 30 goals.

He would not easily be a top6 player if he is just simply healthy. He could be one. We certainly would hope. But, no, you can not say he would for sure be anything more than he is now.

 

[henchman21]

He is working on his 2nd "bad" season.

As for the linemates, other than Staal he was with their most productive players last year. And is now playing with Veersteg who is doing just as good as anyone else on that team.

And who is to say he would get decent linemates with us? PaP was demoted because he was a 1 deminsional scorer. Iggy has been demoted for the same reason, when he was on pace for well over 30 goals.

He would not easily be a top6 player if he is just simply healthy. He could be one. We certainly would hope. But, no, you can not say he would for sure be anything more than he is now.

A 2nd bad season where he is on pace for 23-24 goals and would be 3rd on the Avs currently while playing with mostly scrubs this year for Carolina. Yes, Veersteg is a scrub. Skinner's worst season was on a terrible Carolina team where he scored 18 goals... which would have been 5th on the Avs last year. That Carolina team scored over 30 less goals than the Avs.

Skinner would pair great with either MacK or Duchene... Skinner excels at getting into dangerous spaces. Those two can draw defenses and feed him the puck in those areas.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

The difference between Skinner and the likes of Pap/Iggy is night and day. Unlike those two he can actually skate and make a pass. PA was good when was floating around which wouldn't be a problem for Skinner.

The only reason he's on the market is because of injuries, otherwise he'd probably be the Canes most productive player.

 

[tigervixxxen]

How many times has this team changed identities in the past bunch of seasons? Lets play fire wagon hockey. Lets have all puck moving defencemen. Lets have all defensive defencemen. Lets have a mix. Lets have really skilled forwards, but no two way forwards. Let's get all big forwards. Part of me is afraid is what future off seasons will bring. The Avs haven't found success with any style, and it's making the rebuild so much longer constantly changing what they're looking for.

I think they have a vision now, we'll see how it ends up.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

A 2nd bad season where he is on pace for 23-24 goals and would be 3rd on the Avs currently while playing with mostly scrubs this year for Carolina. Yes, Veersteg is a scrub. Skinner's worst season was on a terrible Carolina team where he scored 18 goals... which would have been 5th on the Avs last year. That Carolina team scored over 30 less goals than the Avs.

Skinner would pair great with either MacK or Duchene... Skinner excels a't getting into dangerous spaces. Those two can draw defenses and feed him the puck in those areas.

24 goals and only 29 points. Let's not cherry pick stats.

Veersteg is a scrub? So what does that make Skinner, who is producing even less? And what about last year? I guess as long as he isn't with Staal then this will be an excuse?

Just because someone scores goals do not make them a top6 player or someone who would pair great with our guys. Once again I have to bring up Iggy. The guy was on pace for well over 30 goals and we are using him as a 3rd liner/PP specialist instead because he lacks in the same areas this Skinner guy lacks in and despite the goals the lines were just not doing "great" overall.

 

[Wintersun]

I'd be all over a Bleackley + 2nd pick + cap dump if necessary VS Skinner

I wouldn't sell the farm though. Not sure his value is too high anyway.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

The difference between Skinner and the likes of Pap/Iggy is night and day. Unlike those two he can actually skate and make a pass. PA was good when was floating around which wouldn't be a problem for Skinner.

The only reason he's on the market is because of injuries, otherwise he'd probably be the Canes most productive player.

My god some of you guys put to way to much emphasis on skating. That doesn't make someone a better more effective player. If all you bring to the table is goal scoring and skating, well, all you really bring is goal scoring. Skating is a physical trait, not something that shows how good/effective you are at hockey. The only difference that Skinner's skating gives him is the way he looks on the ice. Some people will be wowed by that and think the others are slow. But the results are still the same. You still have players who can score goals but are liabilities in other areas.

As for passing, what? How the hell is Skinner better?

Floating is not good. It might make the individual look good, but this is a team game. The point is to win hockey games, not pad your individual stats.

 

[Wintersun]

My god some of you guys put to way to much emphasis on skating. That doesn't make someone a better more effective player. If all you bring to the table is goal scoring and skating, well, all you really bring is goal scoring. Skating is a physical trait, not something that shows how good/effective you are at hockey. The only difference that Skinner's skating gives him is the way he looks on the ice. Some people will be wowed by that and think the others are slow. But the results are still the same. You still have players who can score goals but are liabilities in other areas.

As for passing, what? How the hell is Skinner better?

Floating is not good. It might make the individual look good, but this is a team game. The point is to win hockey games, not pad your individual stats.

I get that skating isn't everything, but we do lack speed up front. A lot in my opinion. He's a one-dimensional player but we lack a sniper and he is that. So I'd like to have him if the price is right I guess.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

My god some of you guys put to way to much emphasis on skating. That doesn't make someone a better more effective player. If all you bring to the table is goal scoring and skating, well, all you really bring is goal scoring. Skating is a physical trait, not something that shows how good/effective you are at hockey. The only difference that Skinner's skating gives him is the way he looks on the ice. Some people will be wowed by that and think the others are slow. But the results are still the same. You still have players who can score goals but are liabilities in other areas.

As for passing, what? How the hell is Skinner better?

Floating is not good. It might make the individual look good, but this is a team game. The point is to win hockey games, not pad your individual stats.

Maybe I'm missing a large chunk of sarcasm or something but did you just say doesn't affect how good/effective you are at hockey? It's one of the most important traits. If you get to the puck before the other team you end up with the puck instead of the other team. If you have a partial break and are faster than the opposing player you end up with a full breakaway. There are so many places in the game where speed gives you an advantage.

 

[tigervixxxen]

I think any complimentary winger we get is going to be roughly in the same boat. If they were complete players they wouldn't be available.

 

[Freudian]

They should start playing Iginla 13 minutes a game and on the second PP. Mostly because he doesn't deserve more and partly because that might get him to change his mind about waiving his NTC.

But I think Roy and Sakic are too impressed with what Iginla used to be to ever do that. He'll be given the star treatment no matter what.

 

[Bender]

I'd like Skinner better than Radulov to solve our top 6 for next year issue because he's a known quantity at this point. He plays in the NHL, he's younger, he's under contract. I expect Radulov to cost just as much if not more, be around only a couple of years and the whole idea may not even be feasible for many reasons. However I do not want to sell the farm for Skinner either, I'm not advocating that.

Based on age, it would make sense but based on injury history, it doesn't for me.

I think we'll end up with Radulov, personally. I'm not saying it's a done deal but I think it's something that just ends up happening.

I also believe, despite what he said last month that Iginla will waive his NTC and we'll get a guy like Eller or something similar, which I think would fill a hole in the top #9 with at minimum a guy who can win faceoffs and play solid defensively.

 

[shadow1]

The Avs need safe, low cost forward options until Rantanen is ready (which won't be far away).

I didn't think Iginla and Tanguay would look like this after how well they each played last season.

 

[tigervixxxen]

Based on age, it would make sense but based on injury history, it doesn't for me.

I think we'll end up with Radulov, personally. I'm not saying it's a done deal but I think it's something that just ends up happening.

I also believe, despite what he said last month that Iginla will waive his NTC and we'll get a guy like Eller or something similar, which I think would fill a hole in the top #9 with at minimum a guy who can win faceoffs and play solid defensively.

That's quite optimistic. "Wrong" I should even say.