I think Kipper has won you more games than cost you.
I think Kipper has won you more games than cost you.
To respond to the rebuild thing, we really had no choice or a choice had to be made in order to decide what diection would be taken.
We never had a bunch of vets that were worth much of anything so the idea of trading to get good young players was not an option.
Calgary may be able to speed up the process by getting rid of some good vets, but it still doesn't guarantee success.
That being said, I enjoy watching our team win or lose and feel that we will be a very good hockey team after having years of not making the playoffs.
The thing with Kipper playing terrible right now is that it shows a lot of the deficiencies the Flames have.
Last season I recall Lanny and the guys on 960 saying that Kipper masks a lot of the problems the team has, and it's absolutely true. We are atrocious in our own end: we gave a tired team too much space and time with the puck. I agree that Kipper let in some soft goals that I'm sure he'd want back, but our defense should take some blame too (thanks for the turnover, Butler).
That being said, our power play isn't looking that great right now if I can say that. And I hope Irving gets the start next game.
If Kipper plays the way he's playing right now, and if Irving plays the way he did in the AHL before being called up this season, the Flames will be 15th in the West, regardless of how good our offense is. And if this happens I'd like to the go ahead from the owners to give Feaster the green light to do a short rebuild and get some younger talent in ASAP.
Smyth was traded for peanuts, Hemsky wasn't traded, Souray wasn't traded. Those were the 3 main reasons the oilers rebuild has taken so long poor asset management had they moved all 3 for young players they would be a playoff team this year if not last.
Poor asset management ......?
Kipper, Iggy, Bow & Gio say "Hello" .....
I disagree with your points on why it has taken so long for a rebuild. I would have traded Souray but no one wanted him.
Hemsky is Hemsky, if he is good enough to get young talent in return, why would we trade him? For whatever reason, the Oilers seem to love the guy and decided it was more beneficial to keep him, rather than trade him for probably nothing much.
As for Smyth, I highly doubt we could have gotten much more for him.
I think Iginla's trade value has dropped considerably, along with Kipper. If we are talking about managing assets, I would have thought the Flames would have traded both when they were at the top of their game. You would have gotten one hell of a return at that point, but Feaster seems to think he can do it with keeping them, so who am I to question it.
I disagree with your points on why it has taken so long for a rebuild. I would have traded Souray but no one wanted him.
Hemsky is Hemsky, if he is good enough to get young talent in return, why would we trade him? For whatever reason, the Oilers seem to love the guy and decided it was more beneficial to keep him, rather than trade him for probably nothing much.
As for Smyth, I highly doubt we could have gotten much more for him.
I think Iginla's trade value has dropped considerably, along with Kipper. If we are talking about managing assets, I would have thought the Flames would have traded both when they were at the top of their game. You would have gotten one hell of a return at that point, but Feaster seems to think he can do it with keeping them, so who am I to question it.
Hemsky is Hemsky, if he is good enough to get young talent in return, why would we trade him? For whatever reason, the Oilers seem to love the guy and decided it was more beneficial to keep him, rather than trade him for probably nothing much.
Smyth got a great return at time. A first round pick, Nilsson, who was still highly regarded, and Ryan O'Marra, also a fairly respected prospect. It was essentially 3 first round picks for Smyth.As for Smyth, I highly doubt we could have gotten much more for him.
Smyth got a great return at time. A first round pick, Nilsson, who was still highly regarded, and Ryan O'Marra, also a fairly respected prospect. It was essentially 3 first round picks for Smyth.
I totally forgot Nilsson was in that not as bad as I thought, O'marra was a bust he was barely a ppg in the ohl his last year.
At that point, it was still thought that O'Marra could turn out be a very good 3rd or 4th line centre with captain-like qualities. He had only been drafted a couple of years prior to the trade - was way too soon to be calling him a bust at that point.
At the deadline wasn't he in the echl?
O'Marra, meanwhile, is still in junior hockey with the OHL's Saginaw Spirit. Born in Tokyo, O'Marra was an assistant captain for Team Canada at the Under-18 tournament before joining the world junior team in 2006 and 2007, where he won back-to-back gold medals. In terms of playing style, O'Marra is an all-around centreman who has a great shot and plays a strong physical game. He's also not overly big, but is tough and a great competitor.