AV

[BritainStix]

Just delete the thread.

 

[Starat327]

There really isn't even a need for a multiple choice here. There really is only one defensible answer.

 

[tictactoe]

after playoffs 3 challanges..
I also think he is outcoached especially when it comes to line matching.

and he hired this guy.

 

[Flyer lurker]

The way the team has performed post virus has been a pure team effort of meh.

Hart having the under 25 yips year (not worried so did Pelle back in the day)

I have never seen a "talented" team with such a lack of confidence carrying/passing the puck.

Fletch singing Gus to replace Nisky is shake your head territory especially with Ghost on the roster.

But AV for sure has to be included in the meh (for neverending story fans make it the nothing).If a forward goes back defensively it may be the player. When an entire f squad regresses that is a system issue. When Nate is the shutdown guy against Barzal and Suzuki that is a coaching issue. The benching of younger players is mind numbing. You want to put Myers on bottom pair or TK to start the game on 4th line to make a point, so be it. To play Gus and Prosser over Myers it an important game vs. caps is stupid beyond belief. How can fans on here know you can't play Elliott 3 games in 5 days but AV plays. Hiring Terrian and watching pp regress. Better than Hakdummy is still not a good coach.

 

[AdamParrot]

I did until Game 1 of the Montreal series.

Now it's a firm No.

Same.

 

[Here4ThaLids]

Some very high-volume posters in the habit of defending management/coaching at all costs are notably absent from the voting rolls.

 

[Domino666]

I don’t know I like AV, can’t really explain it maybe it’s his personality, but I have zero problems with calling him out on how shitty some of his decisions are and how he does shit here, gun to my head I wouldn’t be heartbroken if he got fired but who replaces him that will do all the right things by the fans?

 

[ellja3]

what

 

[Striiker]

what

He’s an idiot and its been in spite of him, but he’s right.

It’s the goaltending that’s sinking them right now. The skaters are actually doing better than they were at the start of the season.

I elaborated here:
2020/21 Roster Thread VII: AV Confirmation Bias Edition

 

[ellja3]

He’s an idiot and its been in spite of him, but he’s right.

It’s the goaltending that’s sinking them right now. The skaters are actually doing better than they were at the start of the season.

Yes, that was my second thought as well - in our two losses vs WSH we actually looked better than in majority of early season wins where no one really understood how we won those games. I guess my frustration with this AV quote is precisely what you said - that it's in spite of him. Hart is not in a good spot right now, BUT there was no justification for AV to start Elliott yesterday. Skaters are indeed doing better on 5v5, BUT PP/PK is godawful. We are losing because or ridiculous shooting %, PDO etc. are regressing to normal, BUT we shouldn't had been over-reliant on those metrics in the first place. etc etc etc

 

[Math the wild rose]

team is not good enough, the players are accountables for as much as the staff
not coaching staff fault in a way i think

Players gotta be better than that

 

[Striiker]

Yes, that was my second thought as well - in our two losses vs WSH we actually looked better than in majority of early season wins where no one really understood how we won those games. I guess my frustration with this AV quote is precisely what you said - that it's in spite of him. Hart is not in a good spot right now, BUT there was no justification for AV to start Elliott yesterday. Skaters are indeed doing better on 5v5, BUT PP/PK is godawful. We are losing because or ridiculous shooting %, PDO etc. are regressing to normal, BUT we shouldn't had been over-reliant on those metrics in the first place. etc etc etc

You’re exactly right.

The process was awful and the results were unsustainable. We knew that if they didn’t make serious changes the team was going to crash as soon as the crazy luck ended.... and look what happened.

It’s a shame the staff didn’t understand and still clearly doesn’t.

 

[ellja3]

The process was awful and the results were unsustainable. We knew that if they didn’t make serious changes the team was going to crash as soon as the crazy luck ended.... and look what happened.

I remember telling my friends (also NHL fans, but cheering for different teams, one of them is Sabres fan, poor soul) that Flyers' first 15 or so game trend was unsustainable, all the metrics etc. Their answer was that maybe we are just THAT good at creating HDSC and that's a good thing and that not every high-ish metric necessarily has to regress to mean eventually. The latter part is correct, but, dear God, everyone knew and still knows we are not Tampa, that can just create goals at will. It was clear luck.

 

[Striiker]

I remember telling my friends (also NHL fans, but cheering for different teams, one of them is Sabres fan, poor soul) that Flyers' first 15 or so game trend was unsustainable, all the metrics etc. Their answer was that maybe we are just THAT good at creating HDSC and that's a good thing and that not every high-ish metric necessarily has to regress to mean eventually. The latter part is correct, but, dear God, everyone knew and still knows we are not Tampa, that can just create goals at will. It was clear luck.

Well first off, condolences to your friend for his condition.

Secondly, yeah, we'd have to be the best finishing team in the history of the league to sustain >30% shooting

This is a perfect example of why stats are helpful for evaluations. You can look at trends and see if things are going well or if you're getting lucky/unlucky, which looking at raw production won't always show us.
If only they weren't treated as witchcraft by NHL staff and most fans...

 

[flyerslducks]

after playoffs 3 challanges..
I also think he is outcoached especially when it comes to line matching.

and he hired this guy.

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this will be AV's replacement when AV eventually gets fired. fml

 

[trostol]

The Flyers as a whole just are a "play it safe" organization. Save the Hak disaster, they do not go out of their way to hire/try out new things. They do not do the big roster altering moves that could turn the franchise around(or also could put it back years). I know it is not really possible...but could you see the Flyers pulling off a "Trust the Process" like move

 

[captainpaxil]

I'm not on board with all or even most of his decisions but I'm still hoping to be proven wrong.

With hakstol there was an obvious fit problem and you could see his strong suit of working with Young player and even gordon to an extent. Av has almost the opposite where there are sorta obvious favorites and they aren't either talent or grit. It seems almost political. That idea scares me like if he's forced into using provy and hayes the way he does to justify Thier contracts that means the next guy will too.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Flyers as a whole just are a "play it safe" organization. Save the Hak disaster, they do not go out of their way to hire/try out new things. They do not do the big roster altering moves that could turn the franchise around(or also could put it back years). I know it is not really possible...but could you see the Flyers pulling off a "Trust the Process" like move

I mean, even the Hak thing was less "trying new things" and more "bizarre and toxic nepotism"

 

[tucson83]

AV isnt the best coach out there, but he has had success. I am not giving him a free pass on this mess of a year, but the Covid break and severely compressed schedule essentially takes away extensive practice time. This is a grin and bear it season. I also plant much of the blame on the players themselves. The roster is full of under performers. They are not necessarily bad, but just not playing well under the circumstances and brutal schedule.

i hear ya, this is what bothers me, the haters dont want to look at the positive things about him like it has to be cup or bust in one year for him. i mean look at tampa when they were calling for cooper's head after they got swept in the first round from their best record in franchise and the next year they won the stanley cup like you have to be patient with this team and not make dumb decisions that could make the team worse then it is right now.

the reason why there's so much av hate is because he's not cup winner like q and we didnt get him because he didnt want to come here like what was the management suppose to do? you cant trade for coaches, q has a right to go where ever he goes and unfortunately he choose florida and for some reason av haters wont get over it.

i mean there's really no good options out there right now for coaches, so firing av now wont help this team, we might be stuck with gordon until john cooper becomes available if that's ever going to happen, actually he didnt win nothing either until last year so it really doesnt matter.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

 

[Starat327]

Will u stop being a fan?

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Will u stop being a fan?

Again? It seems like overkill, and also confusing (how do you stop doing something you have already stopped?), but I swear I will find a way!

 

[Tripod]

The way the team has performed post virus has been a pure team effort of meh.

Hart having the under 25 yips year (not worried so did Pelle back in the day)

I have never seen a "talented" team with such a lack of confidence carrying/passing the puck.

Fletch singing Gus to replace Nisky is shake your head territory especially with Ghost on the roster.

But AV for sure has to be included in the meh (for neverending story fans make it the nothing).If a forward goes back defensively it may be the player. When an entire f squad regresses that is a system issue. When Nate is the shutdown guy against Barzal and Suzuki that is a coaching issue. The benching of younger players is mind numbing. You want to put Myers on bottom pair or TK to start the game on 4th line to make a point, so be it. To play Gus and Prosser over Myers it an important game vs. caps is stupid beyond belief. How can fans on here know you can't play Elliott 3 games in 5 days but AV plays. Hiring Terrian and watching pp regress. Better than Hakdummy is still not a good coach.

I don't think Gus was signed to replace Niskanen. He was signed as a Ghost replacement if Ghost kept getting injured or played bad. Braun was the Nisky replacement

 

[Beef Invictus]

i hear ya, this is what bothers me, the haters dont want to look at the positive things about him like it has to be cup or bust in one year for him. i mean look at tampa when they were calling for cooper's head after they got swept in the first round from their best record in franchise and the next year they won the stanley cup like you have to be patient with this team and not make dumb decisions that could make the team worse then it is right now.

the reason why there's so much av hate is because he's not cup winner like q and we didnt get him because he didnt want to come here like what was the management suppose to do? you cant trade for coaches, q has a right to go where ever he goes and unfortunately he choose florida and for some reason av haters wont get over it.

i mean there's really no good options out there right now for coaches, so firing av now wont help this team, we might be stuck with gordon until john cooper becomes available if that's ever going to happen, actually he didnt win nothing either until last year so it really doesnt matter.

No, the reason AV is taking heat is because he makes a lot of bad decisions. People have made that clear. Read for once instead of lying about what people post.

 

[Flyer lurker]

I don't think Gus was signed to replace Niskanen. He was signed as a Ghost replacement if Ghost kept getting injured or played bad. Braun was the Nisky replacement

I think the goal was to trade Ghost and Gus be the 5/6 pp specialist. No market for Ghost and Flyers kept.

If I go with what you are saying (and it makes a lot of sense) why did fans see Braun can't replace Nisky but Fletch/AV think he could.