Auston Matthews Now Vs Peak Mats Sundin?

[yzerman]

who is/was the best player Auston Matthews now or peak Mats Sundin?

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[Spirit of 67]

Voted for the better player.

 

[TheMule93]

Voted for the better player.

as opposed to voting for the lesser player as being better?

 

[Holymakinaw]

I'll go with Sundin for now, although Auston could pass him soon.

They're both pretty much the same player, IMO, but Mats carried his team on his back more than Auston does. As I said, that could change soon.

 

[Buck Naked]

Getting close, but this is still Sundin.

 

[NyQuil]

Aside from compiling points, Mats didn't really do much that was noteworthy, either in terms of leading his team far in the playoffs or competing for individual awards.

If Matthews follows Mats' trajectory I have to think that Toronto fans would regard his career as a disappointment.

So it's Matthews pretty easily IMO.

 

[authentic]

Aside from compiling points, Mats didn't really do much that was noteworthy, either in terms of leading his team far in the playoffs or competing for individual awards.

If Matthews follows Mats' trajectory I have to think that Toronto fans would regard his career as a disappointment.

So it's Matthews pretty easily IMO.

Yeah I don't really understand the above comments about "carrying the team on his back". When he was Matthews age he hadn't done any such thing, and besides hockey is the biggest team sport there is anyhow. Matthews now is a flat out better player than Sundin ever was, and judging their careers at similar ages Matthews is hands down the better player, and that's no disrespect to Sundin who was elite or close to it for well over a decade.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Close. So I’ll homer vote for the Canuck here.

 

[Brucelenok]

Matthews rather easily

 

[Crabapple]

I'd say AM by a hair. Love Mats though, great player.

 

[filinski77]

Sundin's peak was putting up a finish of 2nd in goals (3 way tie, and 11 back from the leader) and 4th in points.

Matthews currently is 1st in goals and 4th in points. Even if you think that comparability is off because of the intradivisional play, Matthews still would have likely won the rocket in a normal 82gp season, and top-5 in points would have been likely anyways. Given that Matthews also was 3rd in goals and 9th in points last year, he has a better 2 straight years than Sundin has (since the year before and after Sundins 01/02 were both not even close to his 01/02).

I say Matthews

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

Matthews really easily

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Matthews AINEC and I hate Matthews

 

[Gurglesons]

Matthews duh.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Matthews. He's got a strong case as the top goal scorer in hockey, plus he's got a strong case for being a top 5 center in hockey. I don't think Sundin ever had a case for either of those things.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I'll go with Sundin for now, although Auston could pass him soon.

They're both pretty much the same player, IMO, but Mats carried his team on his back more than Auston does. As I said, that could change soon.

Hahahahaha!


Matthews easily.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Hahahahaha!


Matthews easily.

Both are/were big hulking Centres with amazing soft hands and an incredible ability to score goals.

Sundin's first 5 years
90/91 23g 36a 59p
91/92 33g 43a 76p
92/93 47g 67a 114p
93/94 32g 53a 85p
94/95 23g 24a 47p

Matthew's first 5 years
16/17 40g 29a 69p
17/18 34g 29a 63p
19/20 37g 36a 73p
20/21 47g 33a 80p
21/22 33g 22a 55p

Yeah, you right........not similar at all.

 

[NyQuil]

Yeah, you right........not similar at all.

LOL, now compare the goals per game of the two eras.



EDIT: I'll do it for you.

90/91 3.46
91/92 3.48
92/93 3.63
93/94 3.24
94/95 2.99

AVG: 3.36

16/17 2.77
17/18 2.97
19/20 3.01
20/21 3.02
21/22 2.92

AVG: 2.94

 

[Holymakinaw]

LOL, now compare the goals per game of the two eras.



EDIT: I'll do it for you.

90/91 3.46
91/92 3.48
92/93 3.63
93/94 3.24
94/95 2.99

AVG: 3.36

16/17 2.77
17/18 2.97
19/20 3.01
20/21 3.02
21/22 2.92

AVG: 2.94

So what? What does that matter? One is a better goal scorer and the other got more points. But in style and output......VERY similar.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

Aside from compiling points, Mats didn't really do much that was noteworthy, either in terms of leading his team far in the playoffs or competing for individual awards.

If Matthews follows Mats' trajectory I have to think that Toronto fans would regard his career as a disappointment.

So it's Matthews pretty easily IMO.

Mats is in the HOF. Must have done something right.

 

[NyQuil]

Mats is in the HOF. Must have done something right.

I don't know, Kevin Lowe is in there.

 

[dubey]

Mats is in the HOF. Must have done something right.

Was better than Daniel Alfredsson (AINEC) and won a gold medal

 

[NyQuil]

So what? What does that matter? One is a better goal scorer and the other got more points. But in style and output......VERY similar.

Anyone could get 100 points in 1992/1993.

In fact, 21 players did.

Comparing raw totals of two players in different eras is pointless.

 

[NyQuil]

Was better than Daniel Alfredsson and won a gold medal

You probably don't remember Daniel Alfredsson leading the Gold Medal team in scoring, but anyway.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Anyone could get 100 points in 1992/1993.

In fact, 21 players did.

Comparing raw totals of two players in different eras is pointless.

Who said anything about 100 points? Is there something wrong with you?

The two are super consistent, and large, strong guys with soft hands. And they both score goals like crazy. It couldn't be more obvious, how similar they are.