ATD 2021 Draft Thread II

[Hawkey Town 18]

My list of wings has been getting decimated, but I got lucky and there’s one guy left on it. He’s arguably the best wing available, which is surprising because you usually have to pay a premium for physical/power forward types in this thing. On top of that, he’s a great fit with either Boucher or Richard.

Chicago is very happy to select 2X Hart runner up/3x Finalist, 2x Richard winner, Pearson winner, Art Ross winner, Jarome Iginla, RW

 

[ResilientBeast]

Duncan Keith was arguably the best defenseman available, but certainly not the last of any tier.

He would have possibly been my top pick, since he can play defensive guy on a rounded pairing or the puck mover on a shut down pair.

Yeah, had Clapper not fallen to 76 Keith was my backup choice.

I think he's definitely a 1D in a draft of this size

 

[ImporterExporter]

Keith is better than a # of Dmen selected already. Thank the maker he came off the board otherwise I would have just gotten plain stupid.

 

[ImporterExporter]

My list of wings has been getting decimated, but I got lucky and there’s one guy left on it. He’s arguably the best wing available, which is surprising because you usually have to pay a premium for physical/power forward types in this thing. On top of that, he’s a great fit with either Boucher or Richard.

Chicago is very happy to select 2X Hart runner up/3x Finalist, 2x Richard winner, Pearson winner, Art Ross winner, Jarome Iginla, RW

Perfect fit for Boucher IMO. Cook-lite.

 

[Voight]

With Kane, Hull and Iginla being picked this makes my pick easy.

Ice Rays will pick RW #26 Martin St. Louis. His passing should help our top line and he spent years playing with a goal scoring centermen so playing with Lemieux will be seamless.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Ah darn, Kane and St. Louis were on top of my list if I was going to get Lalonde a winger.

Good pick

 

[Dreakmur]

Keith is better than a # of Dmen selected already. Thank the maker he came off the board otherwise I would have just gotten plain stupid.

I think he might be better than Weber, though it’s really close. He’s probably better than Gerard. Jack Stewart, maybe.

 

[ted2019]

I think he might be better than Weber, though it’s really close. He’s probably better than Gerard. Jack Stewart, maybe.

Difference is Weber's a right shot and Keith is a left. There are plenty of left shot top pairing defensemen, not many right shot defensemen. Also, Weber is A LOT more physical then Keith.

 

[Dreakmur]

My list of wings has been getting decimated, but I got lucky and there’s one guy left on it. He’s arguably the best wing available, which is surprising because you usually have to pay a premium for physical/power forward types in this thing. On top of that, he’s a great fit with either Boucher or Richard.

Chicago is very happy to select 2X Hart runner up/3x Finalist, 2x Richard winner, Pearson winner, Art Ross winner, Jarome Iginla, RW

When I picked Conacher, Iginla was the only other winger I really looked at for Getzky. I thought about picking Gadsby and hope Iggy dropped. Glad I didn’t.

 

[Dreakmur]

Difference is Weber's a right shot and Keith is a left. There are plenty of left shot top pairing defensemen, not many right shot defensemen. Also, Weber is A LOT more physical then Keith.

Yeah, I had Weber ahead of Keith on my list two, but they are basically even with different styles.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Keith is great and all but, his skillset isn't so useful compared to Weber in the ATD. Weber can play either 1st PP or 1st PK with ease, and can play with any kind of defenseman on his pairing.

If you have the special units covered, then Keith is a great ES D.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Keith is the greatest playoff D of his generation. 2015 was sick.

 

[tinyzombies]

They are a bit apples/oranges. xG% and HDCF% is telling tho. Then again, Weber plays zone and Keith is forced to play man by a foolishly run Hawks team, so Weber's sole purpose is to shut down high danger.Not really Keith's fault. Also, if we just include peaks, obviously Keith's numbers are much better without his steep decline. Weber hasn't had a visible decline, tho he wasn't very good when he didn't have Danault on the ice last season. He is carrying Chariot, who is a turnover machine and not suited to help Weber move the puck.They are great down low, and to be fair Montreal's other centers were kids.

 

[Dreakmur]

Keith is the greatest playoff D of his generation. 2015 was sick.

He’s one of them.

 

[BenchBrawl]

He’s one of them.

The 2nd is close, I agree. But 2015 pushes Keith over the top.

 

[Voight]

Keith is the greatest playoff D of his generation. 2015 was sick.

1994 Leetch, 2006 Pronger, 2015 Keith - 3 best playoff runs by a d-man in the last 30 years.

As a Hawks fan tho that 2015 run was something else.

 

[tinyzombies]

1994 Leetch, 2006 Pronger, 2015 Keith - 3 best playoff runs by a d-man in the last 30 years.

As a Hawks fan tho that 2015 run was something else.

I went to all the 2014 Hawks-Kings games in LA. Best hockey I've ever seen in my life. Just two perfect teams at their own styles.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Keith has been the best dman available for awhile, but his skillset is better suited to being a #1 than a #2 on most teams and at 24 teams, it makes sense that he gets boxed out of being a #1.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Keith has been the best dman available for awhile, but his skillset is better suited to being a #1 than a #2 on most teams and at 24 teams, it makes sense that he gets boxed out of being a #1.

Are you sure that Keith is better than Gerard, for example?

Both were #1D on multiple cups. And Gerard probably would have won a pair of Norris, or close.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Are you sure that Keith is better than Gerard, for example?

Both were #1D on multiple cups. And Gerard probably would have won a pair of Norris, or close.

It's not exactly easy to be "sure" about a defenseman who played before there were awards for defensemen!

On a ranking list, I'd rank Keith higher - Gerard's longevity wasn't great.

 

[BenchBrawl]

It's not exactly easy to be "sure" about a defenseman who played before there were awards for defensemen!

On a ranking list, I'd rank Keith higher - Gerard's longevity wasn't great.

True, I was asking for too much for the scope of this discussion.

 

[tinyzombies]

You mean we don't have defensive zone start information for the 1910's?

 

[BenchBrawl]

1994 Leetch, 2006 Pronger, 2015 Keith - 3 best playoff runs by a d-man in the last 30 years.

As a Hawks fan tho that 2015 run was something else.

That run was special because the Hawks blueline was in jeopardy and the bench was short. They were largely functioning on 4 defensemen, or 5, and Keith took most of the heavy lifting playing 31+ min a game, and dominated.

 

[tinyzombies]

That run was special because the Hawks blueline was in jeopardy and the bench was short. They were largely functioning on 4 defensemen, or 5, and Keith took most of the heavy lifting playing 31+ min a game, and dominated.

They had such a fine-tuned highwire medium danger system where they would allow chances from JUST to the side of the slot and then fast strike counter. That was a crazy playoff run, just wide open craziness, but there was a method to their madness and it worked. Kind of like Buffalo's system with Hasek but from even chancier spots.

 

[rmartin65]

@Voight and @TheDevilMadeMe made this choice pretty easy for me-

Elmer Lach, C

@Dreakmur is on the clock