ATD 2020 Draft Thread V

[Sprague Cleghorn]

vic hadfield

 

[Johnny Engine]

vic hadfield

Already taken!

 

[ImporterExporter]

vic hadfield

He's gone sir. 435 to Van/Habs.

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

ill pick the guy who babysitted coffey then, Charlie Huddy.

 

[ImporterExporter]

@kruezer has until 1:46 AM EST (1 hour) to pick.

@BenchBrawl would then be up.

 

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@kruezer has until 1:46 AM EST (1 hour) to pick.

@BenchBrawl would then be up.

@BenchBrawl (4 hour clock ) is up until 5:46 AM EST. PM sent.

@Hawkey Town 18 is on deck.

 

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@Hawkey Town 18 is on deck.

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[ImporterExporter]

Site went down for about 15 minutes.

Gonig to give HT until 1000 am to pick.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Craig Conroy

 

[ImporterExporter]

Craig Conroy

Really nice pick BB! Was on my radar certainly. His Selke record is pretty nice for this stage of the draft and he has solid ES scoring numbers for a bottom 6 C. Really classy player as well. Always liked him.

 

[ImporterExporter]

@Johnny Engine is up.

I sent him a message on FB.

 

[kruezer]

Seattle will take G Ron Hextall

 

[Johnny Engine]

I'm going to take Dunc Munro to finish off my defense corps.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Remember when TDMM mentioned what made Ed Sandford worse than Clark Gillies?

Well here is a guy that is getting an absolutely deserved bump as he shouldn't even be available this late IMO and his career is very similar to Gillies who went 332 picks ago. He's a guy that you want on a winning roster. Does all the little things that go unnoticed by the average fan. Big time gamer for Pittsburgh for a long time. You can really put his career next to a lot of the secondary pieces in the previous eras that get drafted well before this point.

Pittsburgh is pleased to introduce to the ATD:

Chris Kunitz, LW

Consider:

Key secondary/complimentary member of 4 SC winners (3 in Pittsburgh 1 in Anaheim).

Scored 37 points over 68 games on the 3 SC runs with Pittsburgh which included 2 OT game winners, most notably one of the greatest goals ever scored in Pittsburgh history that pushed the Penguins into the Cup finals in 2017 (see video below). Double OT, game 7, ECF.

Was a 1st team AS in 2012-13.

Better ES scoring than Gillies (see chart below) which when speaking about bottom 6 F's means quite a bit. His ES VsX is as good or better than many bottom 6'ers already drafted.

Has has one of the best R-ON - ROFF splits in history (see chart below). He had elite possession metrics throughout the overwhelming majority of his career.

Both Gillies and this guy benefited from playing with elite talent at ES (Gillies with Trottier/Bossy a good amount and CK played with Crosby at ES for a long time) but their style makes them really nice fits as bottom 6 do it all types.

Kunitz was a high end fore checker for a long time. Always right around the above average defensively mark, at least in Pittsburgh where most of his career was played.


Chris Kunitz Stats, Profile, Bio, Analysis and More | | The Sports Forecaster

Nice overview of Kunitz as a player and his contributions:
Chris Kunitz: The Penguins' Unassuming Hitmaker | Pittsburgh Magazine

"Kunitz topped out at an elite-level 35 goals in 2013-14. He had matching seasons of 17 goals and 40 points the past two seasons, still very respectable. His biggest assets, though, are his savvy at getting the puck to his higher-end linemates, being willing to play in the rough-and-tumble area in front of the opponent’s net and his physical play.


Kunitz is 6 feet, 195 pounds, solid but not usually the biggest body on the ice. Yet last season he dished out 264 hits, more than 100 better than any of his teammates. He half-jokes that “probably when I get too slow to get over there and hit somebody is when my hit total will come down,” but the Penguins don’t take Kunitz for granted."


“He plays a game that’s not easy to play,” general manager Jim Rutherford says. “You have to have a certain makeup to do that. He can make those adjustments to play with those players.”



EVEN STRENGTH SCORING VSX

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Here are the top 100 in career adjusted even-strength plus-minus.

Rank	Player	GP	$ESGF	$ESGA	R-ON	R-OFF	EV%	EV+/-	XEV+/-	AEV+/-	AEV+/-/82
1	Jaromir Jagr	1711	1794	1332	1.35	0.93	40%	461	-69	530	25
2	Ray Bourque	1612	1691	1231	1.37	0.95	42%	460	-48	508	26
3	Bobby Orr	657	1044	526	1.99	1.03	49%	518	13	505	63
4	Wayne Gretzky	1487	1893	1492	1.27	1.04	47%	401	39	362	20
5	Larry Robinson	1384	1632	1022	1.60	1.34	43%	611	250	360	21
6	Nicklas Lidstrom	1564	1682	1189	1.41	1.17	41%	493	149	344	18
7	Joe Thornton	1446	1269	955	1.33	0.96	35%	314	-28	342	19
8	Teemu Selanne	1451	1232	1002	1.23	0.87	35%	230	-101	332	19
9	Mark Howe	929	939	628	1.50	0.96	39%	311	-20	330	29
10	Al MacInnis	1416	1397	992	1.41	1.11	38%	404	81	323	19
11	Stan Mikita	1393	1220	825	1.48	1.12	33%	395	73	323	19
12	Mario Lemieux	915	1092	883	1.24	0.84	46%	209	-110	319	29
13	Bobby Clarke	1147	894	498	1.80	1.20	30%	397	82	314	22
14	Eric Lindros	760	842	565	1.49	0.95	42%	276	-22	298	32
15	Borje Salming	1148	1206	1056	1.14	0.82	43%	150	-148	298	21
16	Dave Taylor	1111	876	671	1.30	0.84	30%	205	-86	291	21
17	Peter Forsberg	708	741	432	1.71	1.07	38%	309	24	285	33
18	Gordie Howe	921	919	724	1.27	0.85	36%	195	-89	284	25
19	Pavel Datsyuk	953	858	553	1.55	1.07	34%	305	30	275	24
20	Bryan Trottier	1279	1081	724	1.49	1.17	33%	357	90	267	17
21	Mike Bossy	752	732	408	1.80	1.17	36%	325	59	266	29
22	Sidney Crosby	782	848	602	1.41	0.96	41%	246	-18	264	28
23	Guy Lafleur	1126	1079	646	1.67	1.35	34%	432	168	264	19
24	Marcel Dionne	1348	1126	1019	1.10	0.80	35%	107	-156	263	16
25	Henrik Sedin	1248	951	707	1.35	0.98	31%	244	-12	255	17
26	John Leclair	967	868	586	1.48	1.08	35%	282	36	246	21
27	Daniel Sedin	1225	891	660	1.35	0.97	29%	231	-14	245	16
28	Larry Murphy	1615	1534	1275	1.20	1.02	39%	258	14	244	12
29	Denis Potvin	1060	1122	753	1.49	1.23	43%	369	127	242	19
30	Alex Tanguay	1088	945	713	1.33	1.00	35%	232	2	230	17
31	Scott Stevens	1635	1658	1265	1.31	1.19	42%	393	162	230	12
32	Brad Park	1115	1212	866	1.40	1.20	42%	345	125	221	16
33	Ron Francis	1731	1374	1249	1.10	0.89	34%	125	-95	220	10
34	Brad McCrimmon	1222	1041	726	1.43	1.18	34%	314	94	220	15
35	Chris Kunitz	884	705	471	1.50	1.05	31%	233	17	217	20
36	Brian Rafalski	833	823	583	1.41	1.05	38%	240	24	215	21
37	Chris Pronger	1167	1060	858	1.23	0.99	39%	201	-7	208	15
38	Frank Mahovlich	1048	1022	722	1.42	1.18	35%	300	94	206	16
39	Steve Shutt	930	790	436	1.81	1.45	29%	354	148	206	18
40	Sergei Fedorov	1249	1018	766	1.33	1.08	32%	252	47	206	14
41	Marian Hossa	1309	1026	758	1.35	1.12	30%	268	64	205	13
42	Ryan Getzlaf	861	740	546	1.35	0.98	36%	194	-7	199	19
43	Patrik Elias	1240	912	691	1.32	1.04	31%	220	23	198	13
44	Steve Larmer	1006	750	577	1.30	0.95	32%	173	-24	197	16
45	Brian Propp	1016	767	524	1.46	1.12	31%	243	49	195	16
46	Zigmund Palffy	684	615	502	1.23	0.80	37%	114	-80	194	23
47	Terry Harper	1066	1108	890	1.24	1.04	43%	218	25	193	15
48	Craig Ramsay	1070	694	462	1.50	1.12	25%	231	42	189	15
49	Keith Tkachuk	1201	992	895	1.11	0.87	36%	98	-88	186	13
50	Charlie Simmer	712	524	395	1.33	0.83	29%	130	-56	186	21

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[overpass]

OK I'm going to make up some picks for the Corpus Christi Ice Rays.

The Ice Rays have a top 6 forward group with scoring punch and toughness, so I'll pick a couple of defensive forwards who can kill penalties and have enough skill and ability that they won't get smoked at even strength.

With pick 536, Hec Kilrea, LW. Kilrea had a 15 year career in the NHL, very long for the 20s and 30s, playing primarily as a checker and penalty killer. Kilrea was one of the fastest players in the league at the time and won several fastest skater competitions. When given more offensive opportunity, he scored 36 goals (5th in the league) and 58 points (5th) in the 1929-30 season, leading the Canadian division in points scored.

Kilrea received some all star votes in the manager-voted teams of the late 20s.
1926-27: “Also receiving votes” at wing along with Cy Denneny, behind W. Cook, Hay, Joliat, Morenz,
Smith, and Irvin.
1927-28: Kilrea was 9th in the league in goals scored and received a combined 3 first place votes and 2 second place votes on both wings from the 10 NHL managers in the unofficial all-star voting for that season, third best among wingers behind Cook and Hay. He didn't make the first team or second team because of vote splitting between positions, but had a better voting record than the second teamers Joliat and Oliver.
1928-29: Kilrea was the 2nd team all star LW
1929-30: Kilrea was the 1st team all star LW

Kilrea played on 3 championship teams, the 1927 Ottawa Senators and the 1936 and 1937 Detroit Red Wings.

With pick 585, Sean Couturier, C.

Couturier has been one of the top defensive centres and penalty killing forwards of the past decade. He announced his entry as a significant defensive player in the 2012 playoffs at age 19 when he was widely praised for his matchup success on Evgeni Malkin. He has killed penalties in a significant role since his rookie season, and has a 46% role on his team's PK in his 647 career cames. He leads all forwards in combined SH ice time in his 9 seasons in the league.

Couturier has developed his offensive game in the last 3 seasons when given more opportunity, and is 10th in even strength points for the last 3 seasons combined. As often happens, he started to get Selke consideration as soon as he started scoring, and has a 2nd and a 6th place finish in Selke voting from 2017-18 and 2018-19. Couturier finished 1st in the PHWA's first half awards poll for the Selke trophy in the incomplete (?) 2019-20 season. He also finished 1st in a poll of The Athletic writers (many of whom are PHWA writers) for the Selke trophy in late March.

Sean Couturier is our Selke Trophy pick. Evaluating his case...

In January, (Couturier) won the Professional Hockey Writers Association's Selke Midseason's Selke midseason poll over yearly contenders Patrice Bergeron and Ryan O'Reilly, and today, in a survey of 41 The Athletic writers on the NHL awards, he again came out on top. Since the PHWA votes for the Selke Trophy and writers from the Athletic make up the single largest PHWA voting block, Couturier is the clear favourite for the award.

...

As a Flyers writer, I unsurprisingly lean toward Couturier. His ability to revitalize struggling teammates the second they’re placed on his line is stunning to watch in real time; it’s earned him the nickname “Dr. Coots” from head coach Alain Vigneault. In addition, Couturier found a way to elevate his game every time he matched up against a star this season, and public metrics hint that wasn’t mere perception — per Puck IQ’s Quality of Competition stat, Couturier drove play better against “Elite” competition (58.00 percent Corsi For) than normal opponents, and helped the Flyers to a massive 19-6 goal advantage versus elites. That lines up with my view of his work on a nightly basis.

 

[overpass]

I'm going to take Dunc Munro to finish off my defense corps.

I was so ready to take Munro as my #6...gonna have to look again. Short career due to his heart troubles but I love the leadership and the fact that the coaches voted him a first team all star in 1926-27.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Chicago selects Jordan Staal, C

 

[ImporterExporter]

Updating the OP now.

Since the site went down again, @Namba 17 is up starting now. He has until 7:45 PM EST. I sent a PM.

 

[ImporterExporter]

OK I'm going to make up some picks for the Corpus Christi Ice Rays.

The Ice Rays have a top 6 forward group with scoring punch and toughness, so I'll pick a couple of defensive forwards who can kill penalties and have enough skill and ability that they won't get smoked at even strength.

With pick 536, Hec Kilrea, LW. Kilrea had a 15 year career in the NHL, very long for the 20s and 30s, playing primarily as a checker and penalty killer. Kilrea was one of the fastest players in the league at the time and won several fastest skater competitions. When given more offensive opportunity, he scored 36 goals (5th in the league) and 58 points (5th) in the 1929-30 season.

Kilrea received some all star votes in the manager-voted teams of the late 20s. In 1926-27, he was an “also receiving votes” at wing along with Cy Denneny, behind W. Cook, Hay, Joliat, Morenz,
Smith, and Irvin. In 1927-28 Kilrea was 9th in the league in goals scored and received a combined 3 first place votes and 2 second place votes on both wings from the 10 NHL managers in the unofficial all-star voting for that season, third best among wingers behind Cook and Hay.

Kilrea played on 3 championship teams, the 1927 Ottawa Senators and the 1936 and 1937 Detroit Red Wings.

With pick 585, Sean Couturier, C. Hard to believe he has 9 seasons under his belt now. Couturier has been one of the top defensive centres and penalty killing forwards of the past decade. He's also started to show a scoring touch in the last 3 seasons, and is 10th in even strength points for the last 3 seasons combined. As often happens, he started to get Selke consideration as soon as he started scoring, and has a 2nd and a 6th place finish in Selke voting from 2017-18 and 2018-19.

Couturier is a great make up pick now. Strong Selke record for this point in the draft and as you mentioned started to emerge offensively as well.

 

[overpass]

The Corpus Christi Ice Rays, with pick 616, round out their top 6 defenders with Brian Engblom, D.

Engblom was a strong defensive defenceman from the 80s, with a nice little peak where he played for Canada in the 1981 Canada Cup and was voted a second team all-star for 1981-82.

Engblom played the right side when paired with Rod Langway in Montreal, and when paired with Scott Stevens in Washington.

You don't see it in his hockey card stats but Engblom was a big minute defender on good teams for his seven year prime (1979-80 to 1985-86). He was among the few defencemen on above-average teams to be on ice for at least 40% of his team's even-strength goals for and against, and a quick-and-dirty estimation shows him playing 24-25 minutes per game, with very little PP time.

Player	GP	EV%	TmEV+	PP%	SH%	Estimated EV/game	Estimated PP/game	Estimated SH/game	Estimated total/game
Larry Robinson	507	46%	1.28	66%	60%	21.4	4.3	3.9	29.6
Paul Coffey	473	44%	1.38	74%	29%	20.5	4.8	1.9	27.2
Brian Engblom	537	43%	1.15	19%	46%	20.3	1.3	3.0	24.6
Scott Stevens	308	43%	1.22	38%	34%	20.1	2.5	2.2	24.8
Mark Howe	510	41%	1.15	63%	43%	19.5	4.1	2.8	26.4
Ray Bourque	502	41%	1.20	84%	50%	19.4	5.5	3.2	28.1
Rod Langway	533	40%	1.33	16%	55%	18.9	1.1	3.5	23.5
Craig Hartsburg	440	40%	1.06	64%	33%	18.9	4.2	2.2	25.3
Barry Beck	425	40%	1.01	49%	59%	18.9	3.2	3.8	25.8
Charlie Huddy	360	40%	1.42	52%	31%	18.6	3.4	2.0	24.0
Denis Potvin	463	40%	1.32	83%	53%	18.6	5.4	3.4	27.4

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[rmartin65]

Damn you, @ImporterExporter , Kunitz was my upcoming pick

 

[ImporterExporter]

Damn you, @ImporterExporter , Kunitz was my upcoming pick

I debated taking him on the last turn but gambled that he'd fall back to this spot.

He's a guy that's played a lot in every spot (1-4) over his career. Plays a hard game, far more often than not. Always had a great motor, likely stemming from him being undrafted. And I like that in 4th line guys. They may have played higher in the lineup at one point but they play with a grinder, get it done at all cost mentality. He'll check all day long, chip in plenty of offense for a 4th line W and he's always had a knack for coming up aces in big spots. Being as I saw a large portion of his career I used to always say "what if you gave Kunitz's brains to Kris Letang. Swamp them out."? Tanger would have won a few Norris'. But Kunitz's lines always had great possession metrics and CK was a beast in the corners. Just a fantastic glue guy in the modern game. Played both special teams as well. Sneaky good on the PP.

I was a little surprised he didn't get picked up last year once you had a 4th Cup (which he was very instrumental in winning) to finish out his career. But then again I participated last year and only semi considered him very late.

 

[overpass]

With pick 665 the Corpus Christi Ice Rays take Jason Pominville, RW.

Pominville has had a very solid NHL career. He's 28th in goals scored (293), 31st in points scored (727) and 33rd in assists (434) since the start of the 2005-06 season. Among wingers he's 16th in goals scored, 12th in points scored and 8th in assists over that time period. More of a playmaking winger than a scorer but still finished second in even-strength goals for the 2006-07 season. Offensively creative and defensively responsible, durable (8 seasons where he played all 82 games), and a clean player, with only 199 PIM in 1060 games.

Pominville can also fill in on special teams if needed, including the point of the power play, with a 51% career PP% and a 21% career SH%.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Engblom was on my radar for both my teams; I might have picked him earlier if he were a RD.

I don't approve of making the pick without a picture of a bad mullet, however.

 

[overpass]

Engblom was on my radar for both my teams; I might have picked him earlier if he were a RD.

I don't approve of making the pick without a picture of a bad mullet, however.

True...it was a missed opportunity.