Seravalli: Ask for Erik Karlsson is three first-round picks and Sharks will retain 18% of his contract.

[TheWayToRefJose]

Can any playoff team add a 10 million cap hit though?

I’d be shocked if Grier wasn’t willing to take bad contract(s) that aren’t too long in order to make it almost a cap neutral trade.

If Karl is traded, it’s a full blown rebuild and cap isn’t a concern anymore.

 

[Team_Spirit]

He has full NMC so how/why did they set a price for him.

 

[MCR74]

After watching a play like this, any GM would be a fool to trade one first rounder, let alone three.

 

[Gecklund]

After watching a play like this, any GM would be a fool to trade one first rounder, let alone three.

Yep that was totally on EK. Genius. Whatever your personal vendetta is against EK, it’s gotten real old.

 

[Pavelski2112]

After watching a play like this, any GM would be a fool to trade one first rounder, let alone three.

> The best players never make mistakes ever

k

 

[Chips]

My point is that there are a lot of bad and/or desperate GMs who have overpaid worse defensemen and have traded multiple first rounders to do it. Stan Bowman was thought by many to be one of the best GMs and even he made a horrendous trade for a top-flight Damn.

You've now typed two novels explaining why it can't and won't happen again, but some of the GMs who made the boneheaded moves still have their jobs. So it will happen again, it's just a matter of when.

Also, there are zero teams who would trade for Karlsson who wouldn't need to send salary back, so part of the price for Karlsson is eating the bad contracts the other team would need to send to the Sharks to make the trade happen. Eating a 4-6M contract is worth a 1st on its own.

Going back I think I at least partly misread/misunderstood your point/tone in the original post I quoted, especially after going back and reading some of the earlier trade offers in the thread lol.


I mean I agreed some GM might do it, I guess I misread your saying ‘it’s dopey to think the sharks shouldn’t ask for it’ with “any great GM would jump at this” *

* it also didn’t occur to me that a 1st of the haul could go to a second partner to eat more salary.


I still think it could be really hard to pull off, but I was thinking along the lines of “would I want one of my teams to do this; this seems like a really risky idea”


I read the Karlsson interview where he seemed to sound like he could be happy to stay as he trusts Grier if the timeline fits, but opene ended. Someone suggested to me the sharks might wait til the draft or later and see what pick they end up with

 

[MCR74]

Yep that was totally on EK. Genius. Whatever your personal vendetta is against EK, it’s gotten real old.

Always an excuse eh? At least you won't have to worry about him pulling this sh*t in the playoffs.

 

[Groo]

Always an excuse eh? At least you won't have to worry about him pulling this sh*t in the playoffs.

How lame

 

[lakeshirts37]

Honestly that seems entirely reasonable from San Jose.

That has San Jose retaining $2 million, so the equivalent of 3 1sts for Karlsson at $9.5 million for 5 years doesn't seem like a ridiculous ask at all.

31 GMs completely disagree with you

I mean the Penguins can’t afford it, but if they could and had the need? Of course.

He’s leading the league in ES production right now as a defenseman. He’s a dynamic OFD that can anchor a blue line that’s still at an age where he should be good for most of the rest of his contract.

In a world where players like Jones and Nurse are making $9.5 million, I would absolutely trade 3 1sts for Karlsson at $9.5 million.

I found Mike Grier’s account

 

[MCR74]

How lame

I agree. Karlsson's lack of effort on that play was certainly lame.

 

[seanlinden]

most of them when the off-season comes and we take back some contracts.

Not really... look around the league at the good teams... making $9.5m of space is going to certainly mean carving out important parts of their roster.

 

[abo9]

Always an excuse eh? At least you won't have to worry about him pulling this sh*t in the playoffs.

Ah yes the playoffs, where Erik Karlsson is known to choke /s

 

[Gecklund]

Not really... look around the league at the good teams... making $9.5m of space is going to certainly mean carving out important parts of their roster.

It’s not though. Most teams that would have interest in him would be able to fit him.

 

[seanlinden]

I’d be shocked if Grier wasn’t willing to take bad contract(s) that aren’t too long in order to make it almost a cap neutral trade.

If Karl is traded, it’s a full blown rebuild and cap isn’t a concern anymore.

Taking on a bad / questionable deal, especially if it's shorter / smaller than Karlsson at $9.5m, is practically a given in any trade.

The problem is -- you look around the league at the top teams, there's not (m)any who have $5m+ in "bad" money.

It’s not though. Most teams that would have interest in him would be able to fit him.

I'd like to se your suggestion as to who can fit him in, and how.

 

[AvroArrow]

Yep that was totally on EK. Genius. Whatever your personal vendetta is against EK, it’s gotten real old.

You're not seriously trying to defend Karlsson there are you ? It's a known fact, he's one of the worst players defensively and he has been that way his entire career. He always scores at a ridiculous rate and always gets torched and plays with minimal effort defensively. That is like 90% on him on that play, laziest stick check, horrible positioning, no effort, didn't even bother skating to put pressure on the guy.

 

[Gecklund]

You're not seriously trying to defend Karlsson there are you ? It's a known fact, he's one of the worst players defensively and he has been that way his entire career. He always scores at a ridiculous rate and always gets torched and plays with minimal effort defensively. That is like 90% on him on that play, laziest stick check, horrible positioning, no effort, didn't even bother skating to put pressure on the guy.

How is that his fault that the forward got blown by? How is it his fault that he stuck to his man? He’s been fine defensively with SJ.

 

[AvroArrow]

How is that his fault that the forward got blown by? How is it his fault that he stuck to his man? He’s been fine defensively with SJ.

He got blown by*

He doesn't recognize that the threat is the puck carrier heading for a breakaway to the net, and instead stands back watching the point man ? That was the most pathetic stick check effort and doesn't even bother turning or skating to keep up with the guy

 

[TageGod]

EK was so far out of the play that forward covered his position. 28 is probably used to covering for bad positioning.

 

[Gecklund]

He got blown by*

He doesn't recognize that the threat is the puck carrier heading for a breakaway to the net, and instead stands back watching the point man ? That was the most pathetic stick check effort and doesn't even bother turning or skating to keep up with the guy

He’s on the right. It wasn’t his guy.

EK was so far out of the play that forward covered his position. 28 is probably used to covering for bad positioning.

That’s the Sharks defensive system. It f***ing sucks. There’s a reason they are close to last.

 

[Sabre the Win]

Sharks are thinking he won't shrivel back up and this offense disappears again. Without that offense, his defensive blunders can't be covered up.

I would have buyers caution so 3 1sts don't really do it.

EDIT: Technically it was only 2 bad years but still, this current rate of offense is unsustainable considering he's never had a season before this one at age 32 at a PPG.

 

[CupfortheSharks]

How is that his fault that the forward got blown by? How is it his fault that he stuck to his man? He’s been fine defensively with SJ.

Clearly, you don’t understand. Karlsson is and has been absolutely horrible without the puck on his stick the whole time he has been with the Sharks.

 

[Gecklund]

Clearly, you don’t understand. Karlsson is and has been absolutely horrible without the puck on his stick the whole time he has been with the Sharks.

Yep clearly it’s me that doesn’t understand.

 

[Macbanan]

Maybe 2 firsts and 50% retention would get teams thinking.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Good player on horrible team has bad game against best team in the NHL, call the police!!!

 

[Gecklund]

Maybe 2 firsts and 50% retention would get teams thinking.

110 points but needs to be retained at 50%.